first off , that bake sale comment at the bottom of your reply is hilarious

anyway back to buisness. i havent seen a .247 thats ran good yet . thats not saying the guys with the screwdrivers knew what they were doing, but they seemed pretty eager to replace them when they saw the performance of my .26 outlaw. and your right the savage isnt a great race truck, but thats about its only weakness. imo the best racetrucks are t-maxxes, revos,and the assortment of truggies (probably including mammoth). and the reason i started this "war" is cause rayray blasted the savage, which is one of the best all around trucks out there, and you dont need to fabricate a big ass hunk of steel because hpi didnt overlook the fack that most of us love to bash, and dont always land shiny side up. and im sorry if you guys get pi$$ed, but the mammoth looks so been there done that. i bought the original t-maxx, cause there really wasnt nothin like it at the time. then the savage for the same reason and now the revo. i like when a company starts with a clean slate. those are my opinions, offerred, not forced, from my years of experience in this hobby.----------chris