I will definatley give that a try. Since I am new to this ( I can hover well and do forward flight and figure 8, just a bit difficult to hover sideways and nose in too ) I am only understanding the pitch, throttle curve now. Maybe you could be so kind as to explain the dual rates to me, I have not got my head around that one yet. I have mine set D/R 80% and EXP 50%. Radio = JRPCM9x. Thanx.