cool i always liked the Carl Goldberg Ultimate Biplane. many people at my field like it to. One of my good friends has a ultimate and loves it. It handles great and flys so stable its also is very aerobatic. Thats what i am prob going to go for. i havent looked at the Tree Hopper yet but i will. I will be the only one at my field with a 25cc ultimate. i will be in glory. Thank you so much for your information. Its kinda nice to have a internet site where u can trade info and ideas with other people. I will get back to u and see how it turns out. Thanks[8D]