yeah that's kinda what I'm aiming for... except for no cyclic control... I would like for all of it to be controlled via control "surfaces"... just like a 3d plane in hover... I know I'm kinda reinventing the wheel here... but... there are some advantages to this.... for one... traditional props are a lot cheaper to replace than Heli rotors and cyclic control... and the control surfaces are just as easy to replace... so in essence you have a very SIMPLE helicopter... that one could learn to hover on... and if the power to weight is good enough... you could potentially even learn some forward flight

thanx for all the input... keep it comin