ok guys, remove Capiche from the list we don't fly this in Greece anyway but I have heard of some good comments. I just mentioned some "good" 40 size 3D planes that is worth of buying but in my opinion they are not suitable as entry level 3D models. Some of them such the Madness and Flip are rather expensive ranging 170-200+ GBP plus the modifications required + a reliable 60+ size four stroke + good servos. The budget required for a good 40 size 3D plane is not negligible and should not be considered as a 3D trainer.