Redback-- nothing to do with present subject, but noticed your icon and "name"; just how big do those buggers get, any way? They look like, and I think they are "cousins" of the Black Widows we have here in the States. Seems like every time I grab a log for the fireplace, or turn over a cinder block I almost grab one of the *******s (or *****es, as the case actually is), and the ones I find uncomfortably close to my fingers are about 1-1/2 inches (3 -3 1/2 cm) long. Never been bit, but I'd rather stand in a bucket of copperheads (local pit viper) as grab one of those things. Gives me the willies. G'day to you, too. Ken