magyarbacsi, very encouraging info once again. So far, my limited trials have not been up to standard like yours or Bills. I will get back to it with some more practice though. I think what I have been missing is a good stainless brush or better cleaning of the surface.

Does your unkown brand of rod need flux?? Seems that some do and some don't? I have been using the Bernzmatic rod from Home Depot so far....

Ernie