The U-Can-do Latch66 is referring to is swinging a 15x6 APC. Its a great show to watch, but Hal Jennings is flying it. I am not sure that its a "fair" demo for us common folk. Hal can make a lot of stuff look like it flies great. Hal told me himself that it is plenty of power, but not enough "get out trouble" power for the inexperienced pilot.