OK rjm...have it your way. The rest of us who enjoy our sims and get in practive of new maneuvers without crashing can continue to do so...you learn a heck of a lot more when you make mistakes and the mistakes cost you less on a sim. Then we can perform more difficult maneuvers without being reckless at the flying field because we now have the manuever committed to memory in our muscles. Obviously their are different opinions...but I challenge you to post a poll on RCU asking if the people think sims will help you and are worth the money and the majority will say they do...go ahead and post a poll and see if you like.