Mickey glad to hear about your maiden flight, I went out on Sunday and got to maiden my kamdax mig with a astro brushless. I actually did 2 rog takeoff's sliding on the fuse. Hand launching a df jet is cool but sliding across the grass takes the cake. The next nice day the fa-18 is going up. You convinced me to do a hand launch, from the ammount of thrust i get i can't seee any problems. I am going to get some video, but i hope i can figure how to post it. ART