Barry, thanks for the reply. My Mayhem hasn't had it's maiden flight yet so I have no idea how it will feel, but I have the feeling it will be easier and more stable than my 3d Magic. I'm able to hover the magic and do tail touches and just about anything, but it is too light and it gets thrown around too much. I actually learned to do the harriers and hovering with a rudder gyro until I got used to it and then removed it. It was great help letting you concentrate on just ailerons, elevator and throttle control. I went ahead and cut my 18x6w to 17". We'll see how that goes. I also put my CG at 36% making it a bit tail heavy to help out with some of the maneuvers. Did you install the rudder servo on the side or on top of the fuse?

Cheers,

Alvar