I think the thread is dead, we are just too busy having fun with these. I was suprised to see a Shock Flyer person rave about this plane, I was thinking of trying out a Shocky, but I may skip it.

I will report that I finally, after about 50 flights, did something dumb and put my hellraiser into the ground. Not too bad of damage, broke the lower wing and kaban, but it all gued back together OK.