I have planes that flat spin like crazy and some hardly do it at all. In the flat spin like crazy category I have[list=1][*]The Modeltech Magic - wow, unbelievable crazy inverted flat spin to within a few feet of the ground[*]SIG Extra 300XS - 1/4 scale Moki 1.8 powered. Pretty flat[*]Saito 180 powered Profile Extra from Aeroworks . Not as crazy as the Magic, but flat as a pancake[/list=1] A couple that don't or didn't were[list=1][*]The Tower UPROAR, just wouldn't do it[*]My Goldberg Chipmunk. Flattens, but descends too fast[/list=1]

-Cheech