bokuda thanks for the link it makes for some alot information got a be the best trend i've read. The 2+2 plans where given to me and it's started at least the fuse is. MATTK I've already got 3/32 balsa for top&bottom of fuse, but have not cut the first rib and now hope you could explain the mods to the wing and stab,and thinking of modifing the fin and rudder to have a counterbalance. This plane is not for any contests but a starter to lean pattern on plus I just love to build them.