Just look at the original post. It didn't sound like Dennis is in a competition, or trying to fly some advanced design that just isn't flyable without a gyro. He even asked whether this is a skill he needs to learn. Sure, there are some situatations where the gyro is needed for max. points or to add to enjoyment, but this doesn't sound like one of them. I have to agree with Robby: learning to take off without the gyro is a useful skill, and one that will never be learned if the student starts out with the crutch. Having said that, we all know that part of the fun of this hobby is the cool hardware. If anyone decides that they want to enjoy the hardware more than they want to learn basic skills, then get out the checkbook and go for it.

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