Hi waunk: You are absolutly right! It seems the uglier my planes get the better they fly. Not to mention I seem to need a crash to get them to fly right for me, hence the nickname $ircra$halot. The saying remember if it don't look good it won't fly, hummmm maybe that's my problem, is just an attemt at humor, ha ha! Anyhow if I remember you are a new freind as well so good luck and may all your crashes <it's something that seems inevitable> produce a better flying airplane. Always remember if it don't look good it won't fly Hummm maybe that's my problem.