Rrrag, You're right, it is a dog! It has no vertical at all. Using 30%, 6x3 prop, ~16 oz., not near fast enough either. Tried a 6x4 and it was slower. The rudder has weird coupling. I could put the Norvel on it, but that won't help the goofy rudder coupling. So, I thought it was time to look for a plane designed to fly better.

Steve, The Rodger Dodger does look fairly aerobatic with the full length rudder and symmetrical wing. But it doesn't have much of a pattern look. I had a Venus for about 20 minutes of airtime before I drove it into the ground. I want to build a small version of that.

Thanks all for the help!