No matter how you look at it, any social R/C organization needs some sort of rules or guidelines. Having been around R/C hydroplanes for over 20 years, I've seen safety rules save several drivers AND SPECTATORS from SERIOUS injury on several occassions. Granted, it's a very different environment from the flying field, but a 5 pound plane doing 50+ is no different from a 15 pound scale hydro doing 50+ if it's out of control, EITHER ONE CAN BE DEADLY. With all due respect to Al and the rest of the "learn it on your own" crowd, when I finish building my "plan built" modified Kadet Jr, I will be heading for one of the local flying clubs to find a good instructor. I'm fortunate, having at least five fields and clubs within 30 minutes of the house. Now, if only I wasn't working so darned much overtime.......................................... ..........