Sounds like some good suggestions. I'll probly try and start with your suggestion Rick, and hopefully move on soon to something like the inverted flat spin. I know how to do one, but I don't know what throttle setting I'm supposed to be at. I've heard full and idle. What do you thin? I have the Irvine .53 in it which provides more then enough power and will allow me to fly around at 1/4 throttle. I'll let you know how I do when I get back from the field this weekend.