well the plane floats down very slowly if it does it like mine.maybe 10 to 30 fps.you can pull out at 50 feet if you want but I wouldnt do that till you get use to it.start at 500ft, stall the plane, as soon as it falls feed in right rudder left ail and down.make sure you have 45 deg on rudder and elev.you might have to back off of the ail to get it to flatten out but it will go.if the fuse is not horazonal or close to you need more elev or move the cg back.I use to do them at 50ft do three spins and pull out at 15ft.awsome when its in you face.