My cg is where is instructions tell me to put it.(can't remember where that is off the top of my head). When I was trying my spins today, I was doing it on low rates with the aileron and elevater, but my rudder is always on high rates. Plus I had the engine at idle the whole time. Maybe giving it a little throttle will flatten it out. Anyway, I'm sure I get it after a few more flights. By the way, can your cap do a regular upright flatspin ok? I haven't tried on yet and I think I will next time I go flying. Thanks for all your help.