The Ultra Stick Lite (I know I know Not a trainer!) is a great Plane... Mie is 10X more stable than the 2 40sized trainers I'e flown.. Floats around better lands slower stalls better/slower, easier to see, handle wind better ect. Mine Has Unlimited vert. on a SuperTigre 1.40 (G2300) and weighs 8 lbs. 14 oz. (CF Accessories) It was My second plane And I maidened it after 4 months ,without flying, and without a buddy box.. Required No trim whatsoever and I've been flying it ever since.