what kind of giant traners are available in the 1.20 size arf or kit?

skyward 120

ive got a skyward 40 myself

who makes the model?

The kadet senior offers most of the desired attributes of a 100-120 sized trainer, such as impressive size, inerent stability, so on, without the undesired attributes (large, expensive engine, lager expensive servos, etc.) The senior will fly with a standard .46 sized engine, and standard servos. Just a thought.

The sig rascal is also that size.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXCXT9&P=0

But it is 400 plane only...

the rascal isnt a trainer

oh ok sorry, it was listed under the trainer section at tower

the telemaster senior might handle something that size.....

The Ultra Stick Lite (I know I know Not a trainer!) is a great Plane... Mie is 10X more stable than the 2 40sized trainers I'e flown.. Floats around better lands slower stalls better/slower, easier to see, handle wind better ect. Mine Has Unlimited vert. on a SuperTigre 1.40 (G2300) and weighs 8 lbs. 14 oz. (CF Accessories) It was My second plane And I maidened it after 4 months ,without flying, and without a buddy box.. Required No trim whatsoever and I've been flying it ever since.

Here's Some pics of mine

Ice man,
I LOVE YOUR PLANE. haha it looks good though.

Nice Plane ICE...When they are that big they will be more stable than any trainer out there.

BIgger does fly better

Thanks Guys, Yes it flies about 1 million times better than my trainer! Here's Some more pics! It has Graphtech LG and a Mezjlik 18X6.. Soon to get a Smith Power Pipe!

ICE_MAN,
I would certainly hope that it flies differently than a trainer, because it is different than a trainer. But it is definately not a trainer. We need to get this thread back on track, which was discussing large trainer planes.

Ken

2 slow had the answer,,the Kadet Senior has been around forever the other choice would be the senior Telemaster ,,but I'd go with the Kadet..only on a preference level...Rog

I don't think they are sold any more, but if you can find a Bud Nosen Trainer, you'll have a 1.20 sized plane. I have one that was given to me by an older member of our club when I bought a gas engine from him. This plane originally had tricycle gear, an 88 inch wing, and would fly with a .90 - 1.20 glow engine. I put a US-41 in this one, which has been converted to a tail dragger. It's heavy as heck (20 pounds) with the gasser and added weight to balance it, but it flies like it is on rails, very solid and stable, you just have to have a little power on at all times.

Can you explain this? It sure looks like a good candidate for a large trainer.

That is one RRRRRRRRRRGLEEEEE Airplane...

But it's cool too

As specially with the Gasser...

[8D]

Without speaking for tsands, I thing the general reason to say that it is not really a trainer is that it does not have much dihedral in the wing, it is a taildragger and it is probably not as durable as a typical trainer. That said, it could probably be used as a trainer.

-Scott

That's about what I was expecting. A plane does not have to be built with huge amounts of dihedral, a nose wheel, and like a brick, to be a good trainer. There are lots of potential trainer planes out there that do not fit the oh so popular .45 engine, trike gear, mega dihedral, and built to withstand nuclear blast trainer profile. This does not mean they are not trainers, it just means they don't fit the mold that beginners are most often steered in. I think it's great to see someone start with something other than the SOS trainers.

Chuck-

I agree with you, which is why I said a Rascal could probably be used as a trainer. I am not a Rascal expert, as I have only seen one in flight, so take this with a grain of salt. They are probably somewhere between a standard trainer and a Cub in difficulty to fly. They have a longer tail moment than a Cub, so I wouldn't think they would have the same tendency to ground loop. From what I have seen, they are really floaters and should be able to fly fairly slowly.

I find the notion that a lot of dihedral makes a trainer "self-correcting" to be a bit of a myth.

-Scott

Ken,

The Ultra Stick flies BETTER Than a trainer! That's why I posted it here Sure it flies different but BETTER! Guy was looking for suggestions... I gave him one.. Not sure why that was so off topic but ok.

Where's your suggestion? All in fun

It may fly better than a trainer. I have flown one and I agree with you that it does fly better. But it doesn't TRAIN better. All of the things that make your Ultra Stick BETTER to fly make it a very poor trainer. I've been training students for 6 years now and IMHO a "go where you point it plane" usually makes a poor trainer, no matter how slow it will land.

It was off topic because the Ultra Stick isn't sold as a trainer. You posted your opinion that it would be easier than a trainer and that was fine. But it started to look like all you wanted to do was talk about your Ultra Stick, and that's not what this thread is about. You are more than welcome to start another thread if you want to talk about you Ultra Stick, but not here in this thread.

Yes, you are right that I didn't post an opinion. That's because I didn't know off of the top of my head any that would fit what he was looking for. But I'll still watch what goes on in here.

Ken

Ice_man

While I agreed that is a nice Stik, it is not a trainer in any sense of the word and I'm sure we all know what a trainer is and as such ahs nothing to do with the original question which was/still is

The creator of the thread did not ask about flying qualities, just a recommendation for a trainer. You even mentioned in you first post that you knew it wasn't a trainer so I do ot understand your dilema with Ken

I have said this once and I'll say it again. A plane that is easy for you to fly may not be easy for someone else.

This is a good question and the thread needs to get back on track.

Ok ok, I understand what you guys are saying.. I'm done posting about the Ultra Stick.. K?

But I had to answer Bills question:

Yes I have let several people fly my ultra stick on the buddy cord with me.. I've NEVER trained anyone and a couple of these people had never even flown before.. I'm actually going to be training my dad on the 60 sized (once he gets it).

Thanks