desertpig, thanks for the accurate information on the DA 50. My listed weights were based on items I have in the shop. Weighed a Duralite tonight and it saves 5-6 oz from my low number of 4.5 lbs so I wasn't too far off from your actual.

Still doesn't total 14.5 to 15 lbs some fellows are ending up at with the DA 50 so there is phantom weight somewhere or their scales are goofy.