The ones you mention wouldn't last long. Too big a jump from a trainer. A Goldberg tiger 2 as someone mentioned would be a better choice. World Models Super Sports 40, of the T34 which flys similair to the Super Sports but has a military look. Great Planes Super Sportster Mk2 would also work well. You want a plane that will have more speed than your trainer and be more responsive. You also need a plane that is forgiving and won't snap stall on you if you get a touch too slow. Thats where the 3 choices that you picked will let you down every time. They will snap on a dime, sometimes you want it do that, sometimes you don't. Its when you don't that you find your plane in trouble. [8D]