[link]http://www.gws-online.com[/link]hi mate im gonna get shot down for saying it but if you want to buy a 4 channel plane and fly it try the gws e starter my mate has one and its brilliant!!.its easy to fly verry stable and flys well at slow speeds.it also flies well at faster speeds and will do loops rolls etc!!.theyre cheap and fix real easy take a look at it?[img][/img]also take a look at the link and check out the prices.these foam planes are indistructable as you can fix em in a few minutes no matter how many pieces theyre in!!!.if you need a link to some videos of one i can supply them too ,good luck and have fun!!!