KingAltair, I hope to meet you one day too. All good thoughts on your part. I honestly feel there is room for both under the SPA umbrella, and I think it would only be shot in the arm for the SPA. I guess I just really want to see this pre-turnaround stuff succeed, in a BIG way, like the old days. 15 flyers in sportsman alone meant I had a good chance of not holding up the basement! I really like what they are doing, and all the planes they are flying. Plans landed on my doorstep this afternoon, and I can't wait to see which fits my needs the best. The curare is so close in design to the tipo I've been flying for 20 years in seems like the easy pick, but once I got into the research of the designs, I ordered 6 sets of plans and will ponder a bit. Then if they do bend on the rules, I'll have planes for both classes covered. The King Altair is one awesome looking plane I'll admit, and it's proportions look right on for the use of the .91s. I think with Wing Mfg. on the cusp of releasing the phoenix 5&6 in fiberglass and foam, among other F&F patternships, the timing for the pipe and retract class in SPA couldn't be better.