just as exeter acres said,
I know Spiro from flying things, and those models are NOT for beginners, i was shocked to see that name in this forum lol
they are meant for flyers that have alot of experience.
I though rudders were essential in learning to land, aren't they??
i cant help but chuckle at that lol Do not use one of the flying thingz to learn how to land. Get a trainer, and if you are good at that, try something low wing , like a four star from Sig or somthing
the Flying Thingz are fun though, here's some pics at the last show i went to, Spiro is flying.
Scott[8D]