RE: cap 580 flatout
I've got a Flatana, so I don't know too much about how the Cap flies, but let me tell you, these things don't fly like foamies, they fly like 1/3 scale beasts. And I mean that in a good way. I've got the stock motor running on a 3S 850 pack, and it'll hover at half without any trouble. It's made of very stiff foam, and you can feel the difference in the air. They fly too fast to be excellent indoor planes, but outdorrs even in 15 mph. wind slice through it like you wouldn't believe.