as a short afterthought to that post i'd like to state that on a whole the people ive encountered on this site have been great and help others in order to boost the hobby they love and share thier enjoyment with others and my comments on ama members and flying clubs are not in refferrence to all members or clubs only those with the gall to try and 'own' a hobby that belongs to anyone who wants it. im just really dissapointed to have discovered such a horrible side of such a wonderful hobby, i shall continue to fly in field and parks for my enjoyment without harming anyone and i hope you shall do the same regardless of your frequency.