So, if I follow your logic, you "experienced" flyers at these clubs just came that way. In other words you just knew everything you needed to know, flew perfect the first day, your plane was in perfect shape, the first day. I hate to say it, but your attitude is why people will get park flyers on "your" same frequency. They see attitude when they attempt to join this hobby. I say join, not take over. Seems some of you have the idea that new poeple have no business being there. Who cares if his plane has "epoxy" everywhere. Who cars if all the control surfaces are messed up, that's what he is there for, TO LEARN. You sarcastically saying the "instructors" are drawing straws is exactly why people will attempt to fly unsafe planes. They FEEL they are intruding on your time, don't think new poeple are that stupid or unable to pick up on your holier than thou attidude. As far as 'my" local club. They advertise their instructors, but when you get to the field, they have no time or little time to help. The point I was trying to make, was that if the club wants or needs new members, they had better realize that setting up schedules or even sending an inex*****ve welcome packet to a new club member outlining who instructs, at what times and MAYBE even set up a schedule, so that not all their time is taken up instructing. The way it works now, you have to stand around and INTRUDE on their time. I for one do not want to do that. I am not there to intrude or take over. I am just there to learn and enjoy the hobby, just like You. The attitude that "We dont need you" will kill this hobby.