Ok guys, no more. This started out by trying to help the guy find some contest venues that didn't require a 6 hour drive from where he lives. Note that I originally gave him facts about IMAC contests that have been held in the region and pointed him at the RD for more info. Then I felt it would be helpful to correct the erroneous post alluding that Pattern and IMAC flying are about the same thing. If you experienced IMAC guys think that's a problem, sorry about that. Seems like no one can be specific and deal with facts as requested, so let's end it and not scare off the guy we were trying to help, OK? Have a nice Thanksgiving holiday.