hold on guys. ed has a wealth of experience, and even if that experienced is tainted, as you say, i don't see any reason why that should not be shared. i know ed gave a tremendous amount of his time to developing imac in his region, and he got digusted with the direction that the leadership was going - the "lets be like IAC" mantra gets pretty tiring. btw, i wrote the actual language for the imac centering rule, which I was very sorry to see go. it's not much fun trying to judge a four point roll that is completely displaced to one side of the pilot.