Thanks again to you all. I followed up on all the planes you mentioned and took in all your comments. After reading through numerous threads on the Formosa, Miracle EPP (another nice electric aerobatic trainer), glow conversions, etc, I think I need to make a pattern flying plane my 3rd plane vs my 2nd. Otherwise, I'd be adding ailerons, low-wings (faster), semetrical wings (vs flat bottom), less dihedral, and a tail-dragger which, from what I've read, are too big a jump from an EasyStar. I'll be back 3 to 6 months from now...[8D]