Dear mimhoff. Their is ALOT more guys leaving the hobby because of being bored from lack of involvment buying a china arf! Can you tell us honestly most people dont have the time now a days to build a kit over a winter season. I have trained lots of father and son teams and their is a BIG difference after the first flight with ones who spend time to build!!! Many newbees leave because arfs are a stinking TOY!!!!!!!! KELLDOG