Minhoff, I too do not want to shove my opinion down some ones throat and say this is the way its gotta be!!! But here we go again with the on going debate of the arf verse kit. In my thoughts just flying a arf is a SPORT!!!!! Spending extra relaxing time, knitting,sewing,model railroading,carving wood,building and FLYING airplanes IS A HOBBY!!! Flying arfs has been great for the SPORT! BUT! Please dont tell me it has been great for the hobby! Pick up any rc magazine and thumb through them front to back and tell me what you see. Dont blame the mfg because they are in it to make money like any one else. Kits today have VERY HEAVY CHEAP BALSA. Not all. Selection gets smaller every day.For 80 bucks one can throw together one of the best planes ever, a sig kougar with solid tail feathers and foam sheeted wings faster then a arf. But ya no what? Its not on the front pages of magazines.ARFS ARE! God bless the guys when arfs help them fly and enjoy the sport!! But im a telling ya Min ya going to have to cut your own balsa trees and totally scratch build to enjoy model aviation if it keeps going the course. A father and son might not be EXPOSED TO THE OPPORTUNITY to experience their first flight of something they themselves made in this hobby. Arfs are killing the hobby. KELLDOG