i'm not from the old school in rc'n so my experience is somewhat limited.however i personally would not have entered into this hobby had there not been any arfs out there to lead me into this GREAT hobby.now that i have some experience with them i must say that between a arf and a kit i choose the kit hands down to the arf's out there. seams that arfs are week in places that should be strong, and have heaver wood in places that should not.so far i have only built kits from great planes,cg,lanier,tower,sig,and my current build tf .[sm=punching.gif] < my spouse's thought to my second childhood haha.any way this was just my thoughts about this subject.tks for reading mike