Here's a shot of my E-PBF. It's geared sp 400 with an 8-cell pack. It weighs in at 13.74 oz. My first one made from 2mm coro weighed over 16oz and was kind of doggy. This one flies much better but it still needs more power. I can only pull out of hover in the first 30 seconds or so of the flight. Any later than that and the battery has fallen off too much. It will still hover, I just have to let the nose drop and fly out. I have crashed it twice flying it in my front yard. The trees keep getting in the way! It has survived unhurt both times. It has done a spin into the grass that I couldn't save but it survived that as well.
later,,,basmntdweller