There is nothing that i found wrong with a VMAR plane that could not be fix like any ARF out there i have a Apache lll with flaprons and iam going to get the RV4 i have all ready orderd it like was posted on here all ready i just take my time and ca every joint before i start the build process i didnt like the push rods but they work! and on the RV4 Iam going to change the rods to better gear so before you knock a VMAR ARF try one and glue all joints before you build
plain and simple as that