das are also very expensive. guys the quality of the kit is top notch. find the thread on flyinggiants.com and you can take a look at the quality. i found the hardware to be awesome, the wood was of good quality, and the covering was as good if not better than on h9's products! it is so easy to build, it doesnt need a manual however if you do need one, chp's are very helpfull. for 300, there is nothing better for 400 there is still nothing better and for 500 well you can get the picture. yes the wingloading is a little high but not to bad...15-15.5 lbs is good and i bet you could shed .5-1 lbs easily if you were that worried. if you have any doubts about it, dont be worried, i will do a full build thread when i get more products. if you want help now subscribe to flyinggiants.com and look up youngflyers previous threads, its there. pictures to come later!