Some-what recently, ive become interested in 3Dfoamies. Ive always known that with these kinds of planes you are supposed to buy it and build by yourself and pick out all of your own electronics. I have a few problems with that. The other day I spent over 6 hours(yeah Ihave no life) on HobbyKing trying to find all the parts I needed that shipped from the USAwarehouse because you cant putitems from different warehouses in the cart. I dont want to order from China because it takesWAYto long and then you risk not getting it any way. I didnt want togo on ebay or anyUSAsite to buy theparts because...well...an ESCfrom HKis only $2-$4 and one off of ebay is$20+ for the same thing. Its just price-gouging.

Im also not that good at building kits really. The only things Ive ever done that look pretty good are thoseSnap Together modelcars. With all those support beams, foam, and glue,it would be a complete disaster. Ive done afew R/C cars but thats a lot easier and you dont really need glue.

So to try and combat this, I started looking for a BNF or RTF3Dplane. After a few hours of looking, I really only found"The Beast 3D" by E-Flite appealing. Mostly because its the only one I found. (Besides the chinesegarbage from nitroplanes.com. Ill never buy one from there so dont suggest any UNLESSsomeone has a ground-breaking experience that somehow makes them better than E-Flite.)

Also, I know this isnt the place but, I do have a plane for Trade now ifanyone wanted to work something out.</p>

Don't feel bad, ZLash. Some folks enjoy building as much as flying, and some just enjoy flying. Either way, you're in the club.

The main reason some models are offered both as BNF (with receiver but no transmitter) and RTF (with both receiver and transmitter) is for those who already have a good transmitter and don't want to buy another. A third option is Receiver-Ready, so you can supply your choice of receiver and transmitter. This third option might be what you're looking for.

You should be able to find prebuilt models with no electronics if you prefer.

Now to your specific question about 3D foamies. There are a few web sites (located in USA) that sell barebones 3D foamy kits, and most of the sites offer electronic kits (most of what you need to fly) recommended specific for each plane. Assembly of foamy kits is way easier than balsa kits. It's just assembling major components and gluing together.

Most 3D foamies are sold unbuilt as kits. I think I saw one of the foamy web sites offering assembly as an option, but can't remember which one.

Here are some web sites to try:
http://www.dwfoamies.com/
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...lane-MPU214231
http://www.wmparkflyers.com/Pages/default.aspx
http://www.3dhobbyshop.com/
http://twistedhobbys.com/main.sc;jse...5.qscstrfrnt01

Hope this helps. Might try google for more info.

Hey man, the amount of time you have spent on the internet, you could a built ya self a foamie, you dont have to be a good modeler either. As for the right gear, i have my own design foamie which uses a standard 19-20 gram brushless outrunner (1600-1900Kv). One 9 gram fast servo (ailerons), and two 5grams servos (HXT 500's ok). 12 amp ESC and a 450mah battery (all standard foamie gear).

My 700mm plane which can fly in a very tight space, is a very good flyer indoors and outdoors. It is called 'Slave', yes becoz it will do what u want it to do). I have a video of it flying which i made yesterday, if anybody wants a plan, i will try and upload it here, i am not that clever on computers so i need instructions. The plans are very basic, but detailed and accurate.
Note EPP would be the best choice if you are wanting to learn 3D and/or fly in tight spaces, this plan needs 6mm thick foam).

http://youtu.be/ul7d-UlgQAs

I've had fun with the Venus, though the servos that come with it are apparently not too great (rudder servo quit).

For a bit larger 3D plane I wouldn't hesitate recommending the Handy King or Handy Man. The preassembled combos come with servos installed and build very quickly and easily. You supply ESC, reciever, and batteries.

I also have the carbon z foam yak, but it sounds like you are looking for vale for dollar, which IMHO the carbon z isn't.

i like umx bnf
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