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Old 01-09-2006, 08:38 PM
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hey guys im haveing no problems with my 1200kv outrunner im now spinning the blue prop that comes with the shock flyers 10.5-5.5 i no its pushing it but hay im hardley ever at full power get her into a hover afew feet of the ground hit the throttel and its out of sight in a few secounds or bring it down to a walking pace i love this plane, dont mind the you can do either cheers
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im going to put a 40 amp esc, a park400 4200 kv inrunner, 1500 lipo and 10x3.5 on yak 55 16oz with flight flex made by greatplanes...i just got the 40 amp esc i will be able to use it on bigger planes someday....
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Hey guys I just got the E-Flite yak 54 for Christmas. It looks like a superb plane. And with what im reading on here makes it sound even better. Well i got a couple questions on motors choices. Any opinoins on setup with the E-Flite 370 Outrunner??? It seems like it would have ideal power. But since we usualy tend to pop for the extra 10 bucks and over power the S.O.B. Would the 370 Outrunner be good for Outdoor? Or would the E-Flite Park 400 Otrunner seem like a better choice??? Money isnt realy an issue i just want it to be a good flying model. Any mods or opinions would be realy appreciated. Thanks


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The Favorite setup for us here at Horizon Hobby/EFL is:
PK 370 Outrunner 1360kv
THP 740 or 900 3S Pro Lite
APC 8 x 3.8 SF
CC 10A ESC
3 x EFLRS75 servo
Spektrum DX6
Battery just ahead of LG.

Build it light
Modify the Elevator horn so you can have a set of holes in a bit closer (say 1/4" closer). (Get a LOT of throw on elevator.)
Put a strip of CF (about .007" x 3/16" or Tape down the Fuselage side. (above wing below stab if I recall)
Put a washer under the right motor screws for right thrust.
RIP IT UP! Light and punchy. Really transforms this plane to a new level.

(The motor is just fine with this setup, and awesome punch.)

Awesome indoors.
Pretty good outdoors.

Have Fun,
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370 outrunner 1080 kv is also good on same 3S, but with 10 x 3.8.
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psycho have you got the flexy yak in the air yet im just intrested in what the difference might be to the ucando flexy cheers beaggs
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Ok-my set up.10X3.8 /Phoenix 10/1080kv 370 outrunner/Superlight build.My question is what 3cell battery to get for a light setup with power to hover and won't cut out my esc.I have flown other 370s with 20 amp esc and 1320s,and the power and vertical pull out of hover is exceptional as far as I am concerned.I just want the slow flying ability for the down on the deck aerobatics that only a light package can provide.I am willing to give up a little power.
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Gary,

Your 1320's are perfect, unless you want to dump $$$ on some 15-20C 900 mAH class batteries. Short fly times, but really lite.
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Ok-my set up.10X3.8 /Phoenix 10/1080kv 370 outrunner/Superlight build.My question is what 3cell battery to get for a light setup with power to hover and won't cut out my esc.I have flown other 370s with 20 amp esc and 1320s,and the power and vertical pull out of hover is exceptional as far as I am concerned.I just want the slow flying ability for the down on the deck aerobatics that only a light package can provide.I am willing to give up a little power.
Hi gmeister,

We are running some aircraft with this exact setup..... and 480 and 740 mAh THP Prolite 3s packs... No issues. Always use soft autocut in 3D foamies. Works VERY well. Plenty of power, Pack keeps up perfectly (especially an a lite plane like yours.

Current generation THP 900's are also good if you want more flight time... I think the 740's are a good compromise.

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I got 3 tp 900s.My all up weight with batt came in at 11.52oz on a comercial computer ink mixing scale.Can anyone advise me of a good CG measure?I'm going to the dome tonight.I want to hover,fly slow knife edge,and harriers without getting snappy on slow flight and landings.....I will post results after the weekend.
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tman giday mate you seem to be up witn motors and stuff what would be the max thrust from a himax 3800kv on a 5.3-1 gear box cheers
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I got 3 tp 900s.My all up weight with batt came in at 11.52oz on a comercial computer ink mixing scale.Can anyone advise me of a good CG measure?I'm going to the dome tonight.I want to hover,fly slow knife edge,and harriers without getting snappy on slow flight and landings.....I will post results after the weekend.
DAAAAMMMMMMNNNN GMiester, that's a light one! I don't remember what the book says on CG, but it works good there. I think it was 3/4" - 1" behind the front spar, not sure about that.

tman giday mate you seem to be up witn motors and stuff what would be the max thrust from a himax 3800kv on a 5.3-1 gear box cheers
Well... let's check that out. Website says... uhhh... none of the Himax motors have 3800 Kv. What is the model number?
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its of ebay i cant see ahy numbers its the pinkey colerd one it allso might go under the himark brand any way the dude reconds it good for a 1000 grams thurst with the right prop it comes with a 35 amp speedy he all so says that it will hover a 1kg plane is that right
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its of ebay i cant see ahy numbers its the pinkey colerd one it allso might go under the himark brand any way the dude reconds it good for a 1000 grams thurst with the right prop it comes with a 35 amp speedy he all so says that it will hover a 1kg plane is that right
Well, I would not take his word for it on thrust. You need to get the model/part number and correct brand name. Put up a link to the ebay page so we can see the picture too.
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struth mate what do you think i can operate this computor or something i woudnt no how to do that but hers a item number 6029041366 sorry mate
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That works... there is a detailed spec sheet [link=http://cgi.ebay.com/3800KV-Brushless-Motor-w-Tower-Pro-30A-Brushless-ESC_W0QQitemZ6030008396QQcategoryZ2563QQtcZphotoQQ cmdZViewItem]HERE[/link].
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thanks tman so is a 1000grams thrust posible is this more a heli motor i won the motor and a used once, u can do set up with sevos and a 2200 lipo for not a bad price in ozzy land thanks again beaggs
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Default RE: Horizon Hobby Yak 54F, anyone fly yet?

T-man... My son, (3-d kid) had questioned you earlier in the thread about the ideal motor choice for this plane.... I am looking to order somthing tonite and was wondering if you had a dream setup in mind for this plane to make it 3-d perfect for mostly outdoor flying, what would it be? still sold on the axi 2212/20? Or would Hacker be a better route for any reason. I am purchaceing him all new equipmet for this one. I myself am into giantscale gassers and my knowledge is mostly in that, all this electric hype is somewhat confusing to me.... just have not invested enough time in it as of yet. So by reading your posts i can see you are very knowledgable in this area and that is why i feel pretty good about asking your advice..... I have on hand a Jeti ESC, a CC phoenix 25, and if need be i will purchace new TP lipos.... and will probably go with hs-55 all around. What are you thoughts, Thanks for helping me out, I am about to start a 46% Ultimate/ D/A-150 and a C-ARF 2.6 Extra D/A-100 build.... so as you can see i am being a little lazy trying to find a perfect setup for his foamy Thanks! 3-D
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thanks tman so is a 1000grams thrust posible is this more a heli motor i won the motor and a used once, u can do set up with sevos and a 2200 lipo for not a bad price in ozzy land thanks again beaggs
Well, let's check it out. 3800 Kv x 11.1 V = 42180 rpm. Final Drive RPM will be 42180 / 5.3 = 7950 rpm.

Motor specs say 22 amps burst, at 250 watts max. Right off the bat, STRONG 3D needs 12-15 watts per ounce. So, 250 watts is going to be best on a plane 16 to 20 oz's.

Now, playing with, [link=http://www.coloradogliders.com/propellerloads.htm]Wattage Calc[/link] to get the right order of magnitude, it says that at 7950 rpm, you should turn an APC 11x7E, and generate 228 watts (output). Assume you have 75% efficiency (gearbox), then your battery draw would be 228 watts / 0.75 = 300 watts... too much.

Try again, we need 250 watts (input) x 0.75 = 188 watts (output). APC 11x5.5E will make 179 watts output. Close enough.

Now we go to [link=http://www.mmaa-modelairplanes.org/staticthrustcalculator.htm]ThrustCalc[/link], and with that data we see 2.09 lbs (33.4 oz's) Thrust. 0.95 kg... pretty close to his claim, assuming the motor will do 250 wattts, you got a deal!
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T-man... My son, (3-d kid) had questioned you earlier in the thread about the ideal motor choice for this plane.... I am looking to order somthing tonite and was wondering if you had a dream setup in mind for this plane to make it 3-d perfect for mostly outdoor flying, what would it be? still sold on the axi 2212/20? Or would Hacker be a better route for any reason. I am purchaceing him all new equipmet for this one. I myself am into giantscale gassers and my knowledge is mostly in that, all this electric hype is somewhat confusing to me.... just have not invested enough time in it as of yet. So by reading your posts i can see you are very knowledgable in this area and that is why i feel pretty good about asking your advice..... I have on hand a Jeti ESC, a CC phoenix 25, and if need be i will purchace new TP lipos.... and will probably go with hs-55 all around. What are you thoughts, Thanks for helping me out, I am about to start a 46% Ultimate/ D/A-150 and a C-ARF 2.6 Extra D/A-100 build.... so as you can see i am being a little lazy trying to find a perfect setup for his foamy Thanks! 3-D
Man, I wish I could dump the bucks for a big 3D bird now. I envey you. Kids all driving, college, ugh... will have to wait a few more years I guess. Gotta make due with the electrics and the F90 for a while I guess.

Yea, we still love the AXI2212/20 on the Yak. It is VERY strong if you put enough battery in to support at least 18 amps. Turn an APC 10x3.8 for 18 amps or APC 10x4.7 if you can support 20 amps. Trouble is, there a big hole in the Thunder Power line. The TP1320 Prolite is good for 13C, or 17 amps. The next step up is the TP2000, pretty heavy. However, we fly a Dymond HD 2100 mAH in the Yak on windy days. It really puts out the power, but it's a little heavy on the wing. I like it myself, but my son complains it's too heavy... then he proceeds to make moon shots for a full battery [>:]. I laugh, he loves it. So, if you are flying windy condiftions (like us), then the TP2000 ProLite is a good choice, but for light acrobatic when conditions are good, then you'll need a better matching battery that makes 18-20 amps at the top-end.
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LOL....Thanks T-man for the info, I can't help but to laugh when i read this as the electric data still confuses me! I think i'll go with the Axi and give it a whirl.... We love the foamys to run out in the yard and practice, setting them up to their full potential is a chalenge to me tho... The big birds seem so much easier.... 40% 150cc, 33-35% 100cc Simple ain't it! LOL.... It is amazing how well these foamys fly tho, just a little confusing! I will chime in after i get my gear, i am sure i'll have a few more questions.....LOL! Thanks T-Man!!! Dave
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T-man... My son, (3-d kid) had questioned you earlier in the thread about the ideal motor choice for this plane.... I am looking to order somthing tonite and was wondering if you had a dream setup in mind for this plane to make it 3-d perfect for mostly outdoor flying, what would it be? still sold on the axi 2212/20? Or would Hacker be a better route for any reason. I am purchaceing him all new equipmet for this one. I myself am into giantscale gassers and my knowledge is mostly in that, all this electric hype is somewhat confusing to me.... just have not invested enough time in it as of yet. So by reading your posts i can see you are very knowledgable in this area and that is why i feel pretty good about asking your advice..... I have on hand a Jeti ESC, a CC phoenix 25, and if need be i will purchace new TP lipos.... and will probably go with hs-55 all around. What are you thoughts, Thanks for helping me out, I am about to start a 46% Ultimate/ D/A-150 and a C-ARF 2.6 Extra D/A-100 build.... so as you can see i am being a little lazy trying to find a perfect setup for his foamy Thanks! 3-D
Man, I wish I could dump the bucks for a big 3D bird now. I envey you. Kids all driving, college, ugh... will have to wait a few more years I guess. Gotta make due with the electrics and the F90 for a while I guess.

Yea, we still love the AXI2212/20 on the Yak. It is VERY strong if you put enough battery in to support at least 18 amps. Turn an APC 10x3.8 for 18 amps or APC 10x4.7 if you can support 20 amps. Trouble is, there a big hole in the Thunder Power line. The TP1320 Prolite is good for 13C, or 17 amps. The next step up is the TP2000, pretty heavy. However, we fly a Dymond HD 2100 mAH in the Yak on windy days. It really puts out the power, but it's a little heavy on the wing. I like it myself, but my son complains it's too heavy... then he proceeds to make moon shots for a full battery [>:]. I laugh, he loves it. So, if you are flying windy condiftions (like us), then the TP2000 ProLite is a good choice, but for light acrobatic when conditions are good, then you'll need a better matching battery that makes 18-20 amps at the top-end.
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Flew mine last night indoors.I got mid-aired in a hover on the first pack.Minimal damage.TP 900 was good for 15 minutes of mixed hovering and slow flight.I was not happy with the knife edge coupling.It hovered very well.It lands really nice for a foamy.
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Default RE: Horizon Hobby Yak 54F, anyone fly yet?

hello everyone can you tell me if the yak 54F will fly with a park400 engine and what type of battery I need to use

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
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thanks tman for doing my home work were do you get all these specs and calcs,just one thing its not as simple as one gram of weight to one gram of thrust for good 3d is it i hope your getting some good stick time in with your new planes i been following some of your threads cheers beaggs
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hello everyone can you tell me if the yak 54F will fly with a park400 engine and what type of battery I need to use

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
use a 1320 3 cell and prop down maybe 11x8 or less
the park400 has alot of power i plan on getting the park400 4200kv for my
16 oz yak55 flightflex and i am going to use a 11x4 with 1500 li-po it will be a rocket on the yak54f......but they also make a park400 with lower kv so you can go with a bigger prop whats the kv on your 400????
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thanks for the reply. I have a park400 4200Kv and I was planing to buy the yak today but I did't have the info on the battery.
what type of servos do you use?
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hs 55's all the way ...some use 2 for the Ailerons including Quique and this quote from Rodders
Hello,
Use two servos for the ailerons. It made sense for me as I needed to place the battery in the position where the single aileron servo is ment to go and to get the correct C of G, I then used twin on their side Hitec 55 servos, one on each half . And get a good roll rate in the deal! Did try the single servo version but it suffered from blow back as mentioned by others.
Great plane, haven't flown my glow planes in 7 months.
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[link=http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=349869&page=37#post4090638]some setup pictures [/link]

[link=http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=568595]my yak video clip[/link]

i write this 200 flights ago on page 4 lol
Its offical the yak 54f has flown today and oh my god what a sweet plane this is right off the bat i was hovering flying sideways cut the motor and just hangs in the air all during 10 mph winds!.....forget the tribute ...the yak 54f with my setup is now a proven success....yak54f w/ 370brushless,6.6.1 gearbox 20 amp esc ,1320 li po ,micro 555 receiver
and hs-55 servos...i really like the 11x8 gws prop with this setup...stable ausome plane


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