it's a real tricky move to get perfect...
Any of you veterans have any tips on this killer manouver?
What's the proper way????? It's one of those moves that everybody looks at and says " wow! Killer man"

The president of my club flies it great..
His plane rolls to the right while he flies the circle to the left..
I wish i knew how he does it... hehe

When I fly my Rollers I like to roll the same way I am flying it( so i like to roll to the outside.) The reason I do this is I first put in the rudder to start the roundness of the circle but when i start to roll the rudder is already there so it makes the begining look smooth. I fell the biggest thing to worry about is the rudder in a rollering circle because this is what will make it nice and round and smooth. I try to lead every roll in the roller with rudder so it will give you the nice slow roll effect with out losing altitude. This is just my opinion.

Andrew

Hate to say it, but practise!

From other polls I am the oddball. I like to roll to the inside. It is more natural to me. Consider the first turns you learned, all with the roll to the inside and up elevator to make the turn.

Agree, rudder is what makes a roller look good vs the plane bobbling throughout the thing. Took me an entire summer of practice to get to where I could do a decent 4 roll roller. Then another summer to work on the smoothness.

Ed

I have heard that the best way is to try to fly a slow roll straight and level once you have mastered that then add elevator to make it go in a circle.... Is this not right? I have only been practicing the slow roll for a couple of weeks. It is hard just by itself!

That is correct in my case,
I was trying to learn slow rolls with my trainer but the rudder/dihedral was causing it to be nonaxial so it would roll a bit
and I ended up being comfortable doing a rolling circle.

The easy way to learn is to be confortable doing a turn inverted
first so once you roll over you can push elevator to manipulate the
turn then do vice versa when you roll upright.

hehe, i wouldnt argue with that, Ed

funny thing is for me, i can make an inside roller look decent if im rolling right. inside rolling left is work in progress. possibly because of habits i developed early on of only rolling in one direction. and vice versa with outside rollers. my advice is to practice rolling both directions, even taking it back to slow rolls in both directions.

of course NOTHING beats practice, practice, practice

Hubb

To learn a rolling circle takes practice in a few areas
1) Master your straight and level slow rolls first

A slow roll should be one were in every position you are in control, and can stop and continue to fly straight and level. To do this you must use all control inputs at some point in the roll. There will also be times in the roll were three inputs will be used in conjunction. For example at the beginning you will initially start the roll and set its speed with either left or right ail input;

At the 45 degree mark you will slowly start to add top rudder(Left for a Right roll or Right for a left roll) , the trick is to learn just how much to give while the plane is rolling to keep that nose level(give to much at first and the plane will veer to the top left in a right roll and vica verca in a left roll)

At the 90degree mark you also should be holding in just enough rudder to keep the nose level. Know you should start to decrease the rudder input as the plane continues its roll to the 135 degree mark. Somewhere near the 135 degree mark i also start feeding in down elevator at the same time I'm releasing the rudder input.

At the 180 degree mark all of my rudder input is gone and only enough down elevator is given to STILL hold my nose level.

As you continue the roll everything else is just the opposite except for the ail position which holds constant and controls the speed of the roll which you can speed up or slow down.


2) Start learning to time your regular slow roll inputs so that you can direct were the nose points while in the roll.

To do this just think back at what you did in the first 45 degrees of your slow roll, You started to give just enough rudder to hold the nose level while on your way to the 90 degree mark.
well what if you started to give rudder at the 22 degree mark and you then had full rudder at the 45 degree mark.
You could still give just enough to hold the nose level but because you started to add rudder slightly earlier the nose will know be pushing to the left in a right roll.

You then start to back of rudder from the 45 to 90 degree marks and start adding down elevator. add the 90 degree mark equal amounts of rudder and down elevator are being applied.

Your full down elevator input will be given at the 135 degrees
from this point on your know adding opposite rudder while releasing elevator.

This all may seem like gibberish but what I'm basically trying to show is that the timing of when you apply these commands is whats steering the nose in the direction of were you want it to go.
A fellow rcu user gave me some advice which helped me out tremendously, He said to fly realflight G2 with the wind set to about 45 or 50 mph and try to do slow rolls right in front of you. You can instantly see what commands are needed to keep the plane level and in the direction you want to go.

I hope the long post will be helpful....

Wasn't there a site with more info on using rudder?
I can't remmber where.
Anyone?

National Association of Radio Controlled Aerobatics
(this site has a great "trim" chart)
http://www.nsrca.org/

International Miniature Aerobatics Club (IMAC)
http://www.mini-iac.com/

e-mail address for group realted to IMAC (not officially connected)
[email protected]

Bill

practice this move on G-2 with a the cap or 300 and you will have this move down very quickly. Yes you do need to have a slow roll down pat both left to right and right to left. rolling to the otherside is harder IMHO but once you have slow rolls down you can do like the big boys and do one to the inside then one to the outside durning the same circle. last a good rudder auth. plane like the sig cap or DP bipe will help you out like you would not believe.....once i state to roll my ailerons hardly moves from here its rudder and elevator and sometime throttle ......DP showes this move on wing it out volume 2 or 3 .........