A friend told me that he thought the uproar had 3-D potential. Does anyone have some experience with one? Is the 60 size preferred over the40?

You may want something with more side area than the Uproar. It is a wonderful and fun plane to fly. Knife edge is nonexistant since there is no side area. Try the Uproar (which is the same plane with a fusealge) or the H-9 Pizazz. Of these 3 planes the Pizazz is the most capable of 3D manuvers. Bill

No disrespect, but according to a recent Mike McConville article(see www.horizonhobby.com/articles/1022.asp ) 3D manuvers include:


Elevator, not affected by box fuse.

Torque roll, not affected by box fuse.

Blender, probably helped by box fuse.

Waterfall, not affected by box fuse.

Harrier, ditto

Parachute, ditto

Wall, ditto

Ive never seen knife edge listed as a 3d manuver. (?)


Anyway, each plane has its strong and weak points.

I 've got the Fun 51, really like it for spins and tumbles, but because of the short fuse, it is tough to hover, but you can do it. It has a nice tall flat profile, but i strongly prefere something with a longer wing for knife edge. Like the Aresti, extra....

For learning most 3D like hovers, hariers, try the Top cap its a sweet heart for that.

For flat spins, and tumbles the Fun 51 is tops on my list, the uproar will probably do just as well.

I can't do waterfalls yet, but i am pretty sure you will want longer wings, like the caps and extras to give the plane a more stable axis.

my two cents, refunds available on request

I don't have a computer radio as yet but I know of a good deal on a T6. Will it do the job for some of these manuvers?

The T6XAS is a great entry level computer radio. I fly a lot of the planes I have with one.
One being the Morris Top Cap. I am able to get spoilerons and flapperons with a little program coaxing.

Computer radios are very helpfull, but not absolutely nessary, especially for fun fly type planes where you can get away with large control throws all the time. (takes a lot to stall them) just set the throws so you have just enough to be able to stall into a flat spin. It will be a very agressive plane, but it is fun that way.

Those computer radios offer somer great higher features like spoileron, dual rate, exponetial, they are wonderfull, well worth the investment. A big bonus is most of the computer radios can be set up for mutiple planes. Buy one TX and enjoy the features for all your planes.

I think the question was about the 3D potiential of the Uproar 40 or 60.
I also am interested in the answer to this question.

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Enlarge the tail! (post # 6)

I made the elevator larger, just took away from the horizontal stab, and also made the rudder larger. Did a nice harrier! I ran an OS .32 on mine and that was plenty of power!

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Hmmm.. the picture didn't work, but you can find it by doing a search for "uproar" on this site

My Uproar is only about 2 months old now, and it's been to the field 7 times. I've been practicing hovering even though people have said that it was no good for hovering. Well BS, even being a bit underpowered right now, I can hover it for 15-20 seconds. And the last time I was at the field, I inadvertantly put the plane into a torque roll! I've got a new TT Pro-36 that'll be going into this plane in a week or so which should allow me to hover considerably better! Lots of folks have commented on it's knife performance, and while yes, flying knife edge with this plane sucks, the rudder has amazing authority (mine is 1/2" bigger than the plans call for) when going slow or in a stall manuveur. Elevators and Harriers are also capable. I don't know how to do any other 3D tricks, but the plane seems to do what I know pretty well.

Had the pleasure of viewing the Ballet of the Sky and both Jason Shulman's and Frank Noll, Jr's 3D tapes. One of the most attention getting 3D manuvers is the high alfa knife edge (yes a 3D manuver) down the field just in front of the pilot. Full stall rollers are another 3D manuver that benefits from side area. Check out the EFE (expanded flight envelope) events that Branwell McClory initiated in the east and is spreading over the nation. One of the Pattern sheets I got has a lay down humpty (sometimes called a "drunk"' humpty) as follows: pull to 45 upline with a 1/4 roll to knife edge in the center of the upline / perform an half knife edge loop to a 45 downline (still in knife edge) with a 1/4 roll to upright exit.

In an interview at the TOC Mike McConnville was asked if he would be pulling the roll to knife edge on take off replied that it was in the flight in another area. Watch his performance and you will witness a great deal of 3D knife edge flight.

Even though it may not be listed knife edge performance of a plane yields greatly to the overall effect of 3D. Viewing tapes of the TOC // Masters // IMAC nats etc will yield a variety of manuvers that are 3D and include quite a bit of knife edge performance. Variety is the key to higher scores.

Is a plane with great knife edge performance necessary to learn 3D manuvers? Certainly not. It is my opinion that it makes for more interest when 3D manuvers are included in different attitudes.

Bill

Well done Bill.

Thanks,
For a really tragic ending to a flight in 3D knife edge see Sebastiano Sylvestri's freestyle flight in the 2000 TOC.

During a high alfa knife edge down the field the engine "coffed" and the wing tip caught cartwheeling the plane in to a heap at his feet. Werner Kopp of Propwash videos said he ran out of engine, rudder and ideas at the same time. The really tragic part is this was with a borrowed plane as his 2 planes had already bit the desert dust in other mishaps (the beautiful Katana with wing folding). Mike McConville loaned him a plane to finish the competetion.

Losing 3 40% planes in one situation has to be some kind of record and one I hope is never repeated.

Bill

If the Uproar is underpowered (can a 3.75lb plane actually be underpowered?) as mine was with a TT GP-42, knife edge flight does suck with this model, but I put in a TT Pro-36 which transformed its capabilities. I put the plane into knife edge with the nose 25 degrees or so upwards, and it even climbed while flying knife! Doing it from level flight still results in loss of altitude, but go full throttle, with the nose upwards and it amazed me how much difference an engine makes... The only bad part is that my Kyosho Mustang ARF still knifes better than the little Uproar.