I can't get hold of a U-CAN-DO 46 anywhere in the uk, are there any places that you guys know of (uk shops) that might have these in stock at the moment, apparently Great Planes are saying 3 months ish until more stock arrives,but that will be well into the summer here and i don't want to miss that much.

Alternatively, is there a plane that i could look at that is similar, i am quite new to this, i was recommended on here to get the U-CAN-DO 46 instead of a trainer, because of its slow flight capabilities, and i fly it perfectly on my Aerofly Pro, which isn't exactly right, but near enough.

Maybe a Funtana or similar?? Or is that too advanced, i've grown out of my electric trainer now and need to move on.

All help appreciated, thanks.

Mark.

(oh by the way, i have a brand new OS 70 Ultimate ready to go in something, so that should be a size guide, cheers)

The U Can Do 3D is very well mannered. The Funtana is not. I have two, and they are advanced because they tip stall so easy.

Try the Weston Cougar or Hype. The Hype is more money. The Cougar is actually a pretty cool fun fly. The OS would fly either of these very well.

http://www.westonuk.co.uk/artf.html

Mark..

...Even better ..have a lok at the YT International Freestyle " Rush " it would cover you.... with Rate changes... through your flying progress all summer long...70FS...perfect

Mark,

Give Inwoods a call, and the Slough Model Centre. I got my UCANDO 60 from Inwoods, I believe they carry both in stock. I've also got a Hype which is just fabulous to fly, tho your OS70 is not really suitable for it. Mattyd is in my club and will be maidening his Funtana soon so hopefully we'll be able to compare all 3 soon!

Andy

If you have difficulty flying it in real life....you could always get a flair cub. Best trainer money can buy, and they do superb knife edge and are capable of rolling circles. I still enjoy flying mine.

Thanks for your replies guys, i have tried inwoods, just waiting for them to open again to see if they are in stock.

lord lucan, you got a link for the freestyle, not seen that one before.

I am hoping of course that inwoods have the Ucando because it sounds spot on for me, but if not i am always open to other planes, i got warned off the Hype 3d from a local flyer, he said the build quality wasn't all that good and the flying characteristics were quite bad, has he just had a bad experience with them or is there some truth in that?? Would be interested to hear because i almost bought one before he said that.

Hercmate, why do you think my os70 would not be ok for the Hype? I have the ultimate which is the smaller and lighter engine.

Again, thanks for your replies people.

O.K. ...Here ya go Mark..

WWW.ytinternational.co.uk

Yeah.. one of the guys at work tried Inwoods a couple of weeks ago for a UCD no go..bought ours at Christmas....BUT ...The YT Stunners are as good if not better...There starting to go like hot cakes too.. check out the Rush and Cyclone threads ...Cyclone is the rush's Big brother .... here we go... pics...cyclone on the left... UCD on right

Ooooooooooh, i like the rush, mmmmm, now what do i do, lol

How and where do you order one, couldn't see, because if the Ucando isn't available, I'M HAVING ONE, lol

sounds like he doesnt know how to fly a hype rather than it being a bad model.

i love my hype, it does everything so amazingly slowly

See here is the problem, i have only flown my electric trainer, i want to move on to the next step, but have never put together even an ARTF before, so i need something that would be quite easy to put together and has a VERY good manual with it, i see now the Rush has not got a great manual, where-as the Ucando has (don't know about the Hype)

I am really eager to get going on all this, i only need to get servos, have everything else apart from the bloody plane, lol, if it wasn't a bank holiday i would know by now whether Inwoods had the Ucando or not, that is really annoying.

Someone said in an earlier post that my OS 70 Ultimate is not desirable for the Hype, are they getting mixed up with the normal OS 70 ??

Questions, questions, questions, lol, aint you guys good

Mark, this could be very well be right up your lane. Considering this is your first nitro, my first instinct would be to recommend a trainer. A student at our field was in the same position of transition and he went with the new ultra stick, now with the 3D tail feathers. That .70 would be right at home in it and the plane performs remarkably. I flew it and it does it all. In stock from Horizon @ $129.00 Also from Horizon is the new Twist 3D which is a bit more pleasing to the eye and so far has gotten great reviews. @ $99.00 The UCD .60 is quite a flyer but don't let it kid you, it will bite you in a heartbeat. Not familiar with the other recommendations. Just thought I could give you some input from this side. Good luck, Joe

I was actually looking at the 46, not the 60, and i heard they had sorted a few minor 'glitches' out on that one, much better size for where i can fly.

Mark...again

Joe' got some good points there .....If you wanted to go Two stroke training as an interim between Your electric and UCD.. Rush..Hype or whatever.... and this may be worth concideration .....you'l have a fair bit of ..er ..." Auxillery equipment " to find to support the operation of an IC airplane... then ... try somthing like an Irvine " Tutor 40 " with a .46LA we've got one from last year ..loadsa fun... £120..for the pair ...they sell on well too ...if ya still set on something for the .70 FS...UCD 'ish have you tried Slough..?
The manual for the Cyclone / Rush isnt a problem at all.....the UCD one ..or any Great Planes manual for that matter is a magnificent instructional process document of biblical proportions...the sort of industry standard .... even if you did have a slight question with any YT build detail ...help is only a phone call away ...or a keyboard .....Al's hobbies has the Rush etc or just phone Wilson @ YT ...pic of Tutor for ya ...with the Ripmax low wing sport/aerobatic trainer " Skymax 40 " at the field last w/end......actually your .70 would fit the Skymax....again kit is £60 odd ...(ARTF)......Phone Inwood tomorrow...... i must i've ordered some servo's from them via the net..must check.....Dave

Nice thing about the Ultra Stick .40 is that it is an advanced pilot model, yet is so docile you can train on it once you get your taildragger face on straight. Its a must for any hanger as you would never grow tired of it. Ugly as the UCD as well. Joe

I understand what you are saying, but i really don't want to go the 'high wing trainer' path, i am confident enough in my flying, just not my building

And i have fallen for the 'ugly' UCD

But thanks for all your replies, i keep coming back here time and again as my only source of 'real' advice, and will continue to do so, cheers again.

Mark,

I agree with Cabane - the Hype is a stunning model. Build quality is very good, amongst the best ARTFs I've seen, and as for the flying! Well its supurb. Get the CG nicely far back, max the rates and its just so much fun.

I was under the impression the OS70 was a heavy engine. If so you could use it in the Hype but you will have difficulty keeping it light and getiing the CG correct.

Either the Hype or UCD will be good, not seen the YT stuff so I can't comment

Andy

O.K mark ...
Inwoods have some Hangar Nine ..Ultra-stick 60's ...£150....cant find anyone in U.K. with a H9 US 40...Yet WWW.horizonhobbycom ...not sure if they'l ship here ...if they do could be $100...$ 150....[:-]..Joe...Ultimate in a H9 US 60..?

Dave, O.S. FS-70 Ultimate 4 Stroke with pump.....WITH PUMP!!! Now there is a 3D powerplant if I ever saw one. 2000/13000 RPM. 1.2 BHP @ 11,000 17.7 oz. W/muff. Spins a 13/6 prop. A 14/4 would make it a stump puller. Toss this in a 5 to 6 pounder and never turn back. It would make the UCD .46 dance. WITH PUMP !!!! I can see it now, fuel cell on the CG. Whats a US 60 ?
Mark, your almost there with this engine, what about the Twist 3D? Joe

I like the Ucando, i also like the Hype, choice is easy really, if no Ucando, Then the Hype will be it, for definate, the choice is made thanks to you guys.

As for the OS 70 Ultimate, this engine weighs less WITH pump, than the fs-70 II weighs without pump, it is 16 oz as opposed to the fs-70 II's 20.1 ounces, it IS a nice engine, and one i got for a song. Pic below

Obviously OS FS-70 II on the left and OS FS-70 Ultimate on the right.

Mark...

SMC have both the GP UCD.46 and the H9 Ultra stick 40..both about the same pric ..£107 ish....Hype is what £150....Rush £140
Joe ...US 60......Ultra stick 60 ......sorry.. ...
Right mark ..what servo's ya gona use..... no.. no.. ....just put anything in...!...after yesterdays great servo debate..se my profile.

WHAT A BORING THREAD! CLOSE IT.

Mark,

Two things:

1. the leap from trainer to full on 3D machine is a big one, even with low rates. I would suggest doing something like the ultra stick, or go for a funfly like the cougar 2000, before going onto the UCD 46 etc.

2. Consider returning/selling the OS70 and stick with electric. If I was starting now, I would go 100% electric. I'm currently looking at the process needed to slowly reduce the number of engines I own and go electric.

SMC have not got the Ucando, that was my first port of call, they told me 3 months, he has to change the web site.

Sprink, i understand totally what you are saying, but i do not want to electric, i'm bored with long charge short flight, i have a sensible head on my shoulders, i personally feel ok going this path, i don't want to spend spend spend building up from a trainer, to low wing trainer, to 3d blah blah blah, you understand.

I definately am not getting rid of my engine, lol, i spent ages finding it, i got it for £100 less than shop price brand new, so that is what i am using.

Once again, thanks very much for all the response, i will keep you posted on where i go from here, cheers guys.

Mark,
I hear lots of advice here in this thread about whether or not to move on to a Hype, UCD, or similar plane. I did in fact go from a Kadet Senior which is the worlds easiest airplane to fly to a UCD 60 size and it was an easy transition. BUT, if you do decide to go that route here is my opinion.
Before you graduate to a UCD type plane you should be able to Take off and land well, I mean no fear of screwing up and stalling on approach or getting confused with the plane coming at you. You should be past that point. If you still get a little confused at times during routine flying tasks dont move up yet. If you can take off, fly around, do a few stunts and land without having to really concentrate on what you are doing for fear of getting confused you should be fine. If not dont move up to a UCD or anything else for that matter, a symmetrical winged plane is as easy as a trainer to fly, if IF you are truly proficient at basic flight. Difference is they are not forgiving, they go where you point them and will stay at whatever attitude you put them in until you tell them to do something else.

The UCD is a very easy plane to fly at low rates and is not prone to stall. I have flown all sorts of airplanes now, and in my humble opinion the UCD may be the easiest to fly symmetrical winged airplane there is! As a matter of fact if there is the slightest breeze on landing it will not want to set down because the wing loading is so low with the recommended size engine, the UCD is a real floater and it is extremely difficult to stall. I found it difficult to make a standard approach and landing, mine has to slow down to almost a stop and make more of a harrier landing. Once I upgraded from a .91 and crammed a Saito 1.2 and and a big battery pack in it and increased the wing loading it started making more conventional landings with some airspeed at touchdown. And now it is a 3D BEAST!

This guy who didnt like the Hype, must not be a real good pilot because the Hype is arguably the most 3D capable of all the 46-60 size planes. My UCD is really nice and it flies like a trainer or is capable of some VERY violent or very cool 3D maneuvers and you will LOVE it, but it doesnt 3D quite as "pretty" as the Hype.

Thanks BigNed, i am comfortable with my flying, and actually can Take-off, fly around and Land without thinking about it now, i would not even move onto a bigger trainer, let alone a 3D plane if i was not totally comfortable.
I may sound like i am too new to be moving up, but i have no problem in my flying, only in my building skilld, lol, as i have not done so yet.
The guy who said the stuff about the Hype is more a scale flyer than a 3D'er, although he has owned a couple of planes like the Magic etc..., and has actually been flying for a long time, maybe it just isn't his thing, but it sure as hell is mine

Like i said in an earlier post, if its not the Ucando 46 (purely whether i can get one or not), then it will be the Hype no questions asked. Thanks very much for your input, much appreciated