Anybody have feedback on this model? Looking to what people have to say before I get going

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It is a very light aircraft. But being light, it does not handle the wind smoothly and can get a bit twitchy. I think that the tail control surfaces are rather fragile and prone to breaking the sticks. It does 3D well, but works much better with a light 2 stroke than it does with a heavy 4 stroke. I have run a TT 46 pro, Os 50 SX, Magnum 80 and Magmun 91 on this aircraft and I ahve found the TT 46 to work best because if its light weight which makes balance easier.

Now watch all the BadBoy critters come out of the woodwork and say that what ever combination they have is better than what I have said. Flies well, just too fragile for me

That is what I want something light although it is not much fun when they are twitchy. The engine will be an os 50sx brand new. Like how fragile are u talking??? I have a Funtana 90 with an awsome setup and at the moment that is the one I really fly but this will be something just to throw about and do crazy stuff with.

I've had to rebuild the elevator and rudder three times. The elevator broke at the control horn on the second flight. Not 1 plane, two different badboys. I landed using throttle to control. There was still a small amount of elevator response, but when I got it down, the main stick and the reinforcement for it had broke out two inches on either side of the control horn. On the second plane, I used Sullivan control horns that bolt through the wood rather than the carbon fiber ones supplied. That didn't help. I lost the elevator on the third flight even though I was checking the elevator before and after each flight. The rudders never lasted more than 1 flight without breaking the balsa stick that supports the hinges.

I have since build completely new rudders and elevators of the same shape, but with much more balsa near the hinge line. That helped, but then the horizontal and vertical stabs began to break too. Then I just made completely new tails that were of a more conventional design, and that really helped. I have since retired both of the badboys that I have. I keep them so that If I am really in a pinch, I can put the gear from a crashed plane into the badboy and I still have something to fly. Its kinda like I keep a 'stick' around... If I don't have anything else to fly, I can put one of them together and at least have something to through into the air.

There are 100 other guys out there that will swear that I am all wrong and that the BadBoy is an excellent plane. Maybe that is true for them...

If you're wantig a bashable hack, get an EF edge, I swear you won't be disappointed

Hey Paulaly

I will get Tim to post a video of me thrashing a Bad Boy. As 65chevy said, I'm here to defend the plane....lol. Actually not. I'll get the vid up. 65chev is a great customer of ours but I suspect he is extremely hard on planes (good for us right???). The plane is as durable as any I have seen except for the wing tips. When they break, just rip them off and send me your address so I can send you some covering to patch them with. There is no better plane to hover with and inverted flat spins are soooooo cool. The .50 SX
is a great motor for the plane. However, I disagree with 65 about the motors....The wing area is large enough to support 6 pounds. We have one with a YS 1.10 on the nose and it floats like a feather.
Yes, there are actually 148 other happy BB owners in the US. Would be 149, but 65 got a free plane. The next batch is due in around 4-12 and almost sold out. Rest assured that the other 148 have perfectly fine tailfeathers and if you build it correctly, you'll be rewarded with your best profile experience to date!
You better hurry, because they won't last order at www.copperheadaviation.com

Thanks,

Hey There Bill,
I have never said anything bad about Carolina 3D or the new Company Copperhead Aviation, if fact, I have had nothing but good things to say about the service that I received from your company. You have ALWAYS been a stand-up guy and done everything that anyone can expect and way more to help a customer.

I have stated in the Bad Boy threads that I think this plane is a good plane that flies well and 3D's well. I just do not care for the tail design in the fact that BOTH planes broke the tails in the exact same way. One using the control horns that are supplied and following the assembly instructions to the letter. The second aircraft, I did use bolt through control horns in an effort to stop the elevator and rudder breakage. That did not work either. I am using much less that 45 degrees of surface movement on the second plane... Also on purpose to keep from breaking the rudder and elevator. But even that did not work.

Now as to me being hard on my planes... Well maybe that is true. I have only had 3 years on my ultra stick 40, 4 years on my BalsaNova 1.20, Three years on my Morris Knife, 3 years on my Swanson design Burrito. That is not to say that I have not crashed a few, but I do not say anything against the planes that I crashed because of dumb thumbs. If I fly badly and make some dumb stick choices, that is not the planes fault, and I would not blame a crash on a plane anyway since when a plane goes in... 90% of the time its the pilot and the other 10% of the time its the pilot denying the truth anyway right? hahah

I think the badboy flies well once the tails are fixed. I have always said that the plane 3Ds very well and is great for hovering and spins in any direction, and knife edges are extreme at any angle and any direction. Notice that I did not even mention the wing tips? Those breaking is of no consequence anyway... Like you said, just rip them off and move on... Thats what I did. I am reporting my experiences. I am not exaggerating, or relating anything other than what has happened to me.

As for the engines, The big 4 strokes power the plane just fine and the plane still floats in easily. I suggested the lighter 2 strokes because the BadBoy balances better in my humble opinion with the lighter engines. I allows more choices of components, servos, battery capacity and battery placement. I greatly prefer balancing without cutting the engine mount or adding weight to the tail. when I used the 4 strokes, I needed to either mount the battery in the tail, ro add lead to the tail.

I have no ax to grind. I am not trying to hurt your business, or your sales of the badboy. I am only relating my experience with this plane.

Respectfully submitted
'Larry?'

Hey novabill,

Sounds like a good machine and have read alot about this plane. A vid of you thrashing the plane would be totally awsome. I was wondering what is the lowest oz. torque it needs on servos. I am using :

Throttle - Hitec HS-81

I should finish what I was saying

Rudder - Hitec HS-635HB
Elevator - Hitec HS-635HB
Ailerons - Hitec HS-545BB

All powered on a 6V batt pack.

Hope that this will be enough and not add too much weight even though I am not worried about the weight with using an OS 50sx. The reason I ask about torque is because I had a servo fail on my H9 Twist 3D. I am excited to try this Bad Boy out. Please let me know when I can order.

Paul

Those servos will be more than enough for the plane. I was editing the videos last night and when finished, I'll put them up on the copperhead website. I'll also have some video of the plane doing rolling harriers and hovering.