Now that I have a few projects wrapped up, the Seduction (Wildstyle or Freestyle) are tops on the list for what's next. Actually a 3 way tie with the Sledge too. I'm leaning towards the Wildstyle, and have a question or two.
1) Now that the fury is past, what do the owners think?
2) Is the wing strength holding, or are there failures?
3) I'll fly a Saito 72 most likely, is it too heavy at 17 oz.
4) Please explain the servo set up for the tail. Is there a single servo driving a joined elevator, or separate servos for each elevator? Also how is the rudder driven?

Thanks for the input.

1) I built the Seduction Freestyle Ono Special. I love it! Super light, does almost anything you ask of it.

2) My wing is doing fine. No problems so far.

3) I'm running a YS-63 FZ and it was a bit nose heavy, but I was able to move the battery back enough to balance it.

4) Mine has 1 elev servo and 1 rudder servo. The rudder push rod is driven at a steep angle to a control horn that is above half way up the rudder. It is a bolt type control horn. It all works very well and I have had no problems with mine.

I think you will enjoy either Seduction you choose. I may get a Wild Style if I loose this one. I don't think you can get the Ono Special any more, but it sure was a great kit!!

I agree.. the Seduction FS is superb! I have heard of no complaints and have none myself. A beautiful flyer,a beautiful kit and with the YS63 and the APC 14x4uw a incredible performer! 10/10.

I've got the freestyle with a Saito 72 up front. Mine too came out nose heavy, but a hatch aft of the wing allowed me to move the batttery back to balance it. The wing is EXTREMELY strong and has never given me a problem. The only problem I had was the bolt that is used as the rudder control horn will loosen up a little in the balsa. Wicking that area with thin CA takes care of it. Mine is about 4 and a 1/2 lbs and is ballistic with the Saito 72. I'm running Futaba 9001 all the way around with a mini on the throttle. The balsa sheeting is thin, so be careful with your sanding.

If you get one, you'll love it.

Andy

Well this owner (me) of the Freestyle LOVES IT.

It is the BEST flying airplane I have ever flown. I mostly used it for pattern practice (you should see my slow rolls!) , but it will also do an awesome inverted harrier and some VERY easy torque rolls. At full throttle (I never should have done it!) was a real rocket. I mean, this thing passed up EVERYTHING. This was with a YS .63...

It would hover around 1/3 throttle...

The only problem with the Saito .72 on the Seduction is that the airplane is designed to have the fuel tank mounted on the CG. There is space for it up at the firewall. As far as I know, the Wildstyle has it's tank mounted right up at the firewall.

The wing is VERY strong on the Freestyle. The Wildstyle is about 1/2 lb lighter. I am sure the wing can handle it...

The Saito .72 is definitely not too heavy. It is lighter than the YS .63. The only drawback is a little less power (not a problem, YS .63 has YOO MUCH power) and built in pump...

The elevator is joined with some medal rod thingie...There is one servo driving it from the bottom of the left side of the fuselage. The rudder is control by one servo on the right side even with the elevator. Because of the extreme throws on the elevator, the rod is angled up to reach the center of the rudder. Each aileron get's a servo and the throttle servo is mounted on the CG.

With the YS .63 on my Freestyle and standard servos in the tail, I have ended up with 2 ounces in the tail to get the CG right. My battery is not in the back like it should be though...

Just as a a note, my Seduction and YS .63 is for sale. Can't ship the Seduction though...

If you are into pattern and precise flying along with crazy 3D (and the best snap rolls in the world) the Seduction Freestyle is your best bet. I have not heard too many things about the Wildstyle, but from the video and the way it's designed it would be the choice for pure 3D. The Sledge might be an even better choice for 3D, but you gotta compare apples to apples here and the Sledge is an orange!

Have you seen the Wildstyle and Freestyle videos?

I have not seen any videos. I'm still on dial up and a slow computer. Sucks Man!
My #1 concern (and reason for asking now) was to weed out the frenzy of "I love this plane" people who forget they even bought when the next bird is purchased. It sure seems like that amount of time has passed. I'm not a pure 3D pilot at all. I'm not a pattern guy either. I am a very aggressive extreme aerobatics kind of guy. I like stall turns that top out at 15 feet high and recover to level at about 5 feet high. With that kind of pull, I was concerned with the lightness of the wing. I like to lomcevak down on the deck. I also love blenders. That maneuver has broken plenty of wings. As for 3D I like hovering and harrier landings, and that's about it. My first choice may well should be the Freestyle as it seems more at home with the 72 size motor. The Wildstyle seems like it was intended for a slightly smaller engine. I'm just attracted by the lighter weight and larger wing. I'm just worried that it may be too much wing for snaps, spins, and some of the other stuff I like.

I also agree that the Sledge is a whole 'nother story. It is for sure the next profile, I just have caught the Seduction fever.

The Wildstyle and Freestyle are both designed around the YS .63. The YS .63 is about two ounces heavier than the Saito and turns an extra 1000 RPM. There is no reason why the Saito 72 would be too much, the throttle stick is there for a reason.

But yeah, a .32 would hover them!

My Freestyle does some of the best looking stall turns (hammerheads) I have ever seen. The long fuselage and all that rudder authority just make them perfect everytime! The Wildstyle would be even better because it has no vertical stab, just a rudder!

Has anybody done away with the wire gear on the Wildstyle? That's another point in the Freestyle's favor.

I'm taking this that there has been no failures of the wing? No tails flying off in a snap roll? No hard turns followed by "CRUNCH"?

I guess I build too heavy. I gotta get a new cutter for the Dremel tool. Also what kind of cowl does it come with?

The seduction's gear isn't bulletproof. It is flimsy, but adequate. I wouldn't try and harriers into a landing. I don't think the gear would hold up, probably just flatten out.

The cowl is clear lexan, like r/c car bodies, except its thicker. Takes paint great and I think will hold up like a FG cowl.

Hope this helps.

Andy

How about buying? Do I just call Singapore Hobby with a Credit Card? Does the currency exchange just happen, or do I do something special?

Email, call, whatever you like.
I simply emailed my order, along with the credit card number and expirey date split over 3 emails, (for security reasons).
Frederick from singa hobby was most helpful, and my package arived at my door in PC, 4 days after I ordered.
Your credit card company will convert the currency for you.
Ie Singa hobby will charge the amount due in Singapore currency, and your credit card company will convert at the current exchange rate, and then charge you in your currency.

I have a Seduction Freestyle (non Ono Special) that I finished about a month ago and has about a gallon through through it. I have an Irvine 53 up front and a 4 cell AAA Ni-Mh battery pack way back in the fuselage underneath the elevator servo and I still need about 1 oz of tail weight.

I'm still a beginner with pattern and 3D flying so I can't comment too much on the flight characterisitics but overall I'm fairly happy with it. The first flight was definitely an eye-opener. Immediately upon takeoff there was a severe left roll out-of-trim and the controls were MUCH more responsive that I expected, even at low rates, so the plane was gyrating all over the sky until I got the trim figured out and the plane under control. Turns out this plane has a wickedly fast roll rate and it doesn't need much aileron deflection to get it going. I had mechanically set my ailerons up with an ever so slight left roll so that's what caused the left roll out-of-trim condition. Luckily this first flight took place out on a California dry lake bed so I had plenty of airspace to get it under control.

On the plus side, I constantly get comments on how good the plane looks when I take it to various flying fields. I did mine in the clear red/opaque white scheme on the kit box so it gets a lot of attention but the scheme is kinda hard to see in the air.

I am gonna do mine in the same scheme as the demonsrator.
Does anybody have photo's of the bottom of the demonstrator?
If not I will just go with white and dayglo orange stripes for the underneath side.

I have the FS and ONO special. The ONO is alot more that just bigger ailerons. All the geomoterty has been changed. The ailerons are deeper and in set into the wing, so not increasing the wing area. they are built into the wing and cut out in the same way as the elevator. The tail plane is moved up a little, I guess mkeing knife edge totally neutral.

So I think that this is the truest flying aircraft in its class.

Kris.

Have a look at
http://www.rcuniverse.com/showthread...ight=seduction

Kriss

A couple of months ago, Singapore Hobby told me they were out of ONO Specials, and there would not be any more.