[link=http://www.tufflight.com]tufflight[/link] any one fly one of these? look good. i have flown the enduro in combat loved it!

I had one for a while. It is a good trainer for hovering, and harriers. With a Saito .82 it did great waterfalls. But it had a pronounced moderate porpoising motion when flying in certain wind speeds which I greatly reduced by scratch building some balsa stabulators. It is not a precision flier at all due to the flexible coroplast control surfaces. There is an old thread on this plane here in RCU for more info.

that is what i thought. Is the whole plane kinda flimsy?

It is not flimy, it is flexy. Very little on it will break in a crash except maybe the prop. I think the flexible control surfaces somewhat protect the servos, but I didn't really crash mine to do a real test.

Flimsy would be a negative term. Flimsy would also tend to imply breakage, which is absolutely NOT true!

FLEXIBLE (in the right areas) is what allows the 4D to survive. It's a culture shock for most guys who fly only balsa.

I always say to folks at the WRAM and Toledo shows: "you can put together and destroy 10 ARFs to learn to fly 3D, or just one of our kits."

If you want to fly pattern and zip around the sky, you're not going to crash nearly as often as if you practice 3D. Go get yourself a pattern trainer like the Super Kaos, or better yet an OMP Fusion.

If you want to learn 3D quickly, then it's all about hovering in close quarters. The 4D is a fast track to success -- especially in conjunction with a good flight sim. Get out and practice in wind on those days when everyone is afraid to leave the ground. The 4D gives you that freedom.

Right Gary?

Joe
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I am not saying that they are breakable i know to well i use to fly an enduro in combat, you cant break them! I was just wandering if the 3d is a precise plane? I guess i will have to get one and find out for myself!

If you are keying in on “precise” then you might reconsider......... The 4D is a specialty airplane for training certain 3D maneuvers. Are you wanting “pattern precise” or a 3D trainer that you can safely learn some of the 3D maneuvers”. I could not do 4 point rolls or Knife-edge with mine. But, I can easily do them with my “balsa” Venus. I can’t really hover or “waterfall” my Venus, but I could easily do them with my 4D etc.