Ok,
I have been working on my elevators and harriers on the RealFlight simulator and I am getting nowhere. I could do harrier landings with my Magic last weekend when the wind was about 20mph. The wind was the only reason I could get it to harrier, In the simulator I am even worse. Its harder because I cannot feel the plane as well as I can my own plane.

I can do small amounts of hovering with the magic, tho my 1st and only time to try so far was in 20mph wind and I was hovering about 10-15 ft off the ground when a gust came and screwed up the hover and I nosed the plane in. Easy fix tho. So I think I could do it well on a calm day.

I just cannot get the elevator and harrier down. It seems that I either have not enough throttle on that the plane stalls in the sim, or I have too much throttle and the plane slowly climbs.

It seems I cannot find a sweet spot for the throttle. Should I try to blip the throttle more? Or just have a steady throttle setting? What AOA should I have, a more agressive or flatter?

In the sim when the plane is comming down in an elevator, I use all three surfaces to try and keep it steady, rudder, aileron, and elevators. Is that what I should use?

If you could help me out here it woud be greatly appreciated, or if you could direct me to a nice site that explains it well.
Thanks

Well, I can give a few points of advice. The first problem I can see is practicing with a magic for beginning 3d. Those planes are absolutely horrible to learn on for 3d. 40 size airplanes are just not good to learn on. If you have to learn on one the only one to me that I have ever seen do decent 3d is a pizzaz.

If you want to make your magic better though move the cg as far back as possible but to where you can still land it. That will help alot. Also for harriers if you put in reflex in your ailerons it will help some to. But like I said it is still going to be a hard airplane to learn to do 3d on.

As far as realflight, if you have adons 3 and 4. They have the perfect airplanes on them. They have an extra and a sukhoi and an edge all already set up perfectly for 3d. If you use those setups, They are great for learning 3d. But if you just want to get pathetically easy you can go to the G2 homepage and download the aeroworks profile extra setup for the 3d and that is absolutley pathetic it is so easy. But it helps with confidence and with timing when it comes to learning. If neither of those work out let me know and I will give you a couple of other options

First off. The only time i have been able to harrier onn g2 is inverted with a 330 or the cap and that was after a ton of changes to the plane. Havnt tried the aero works profile tho. You can use g2 to get your bearingl with hovers and t/r but dont try too hard with the other stuff.

I have not personly flown a magic but, yes you will probbaly need to blip the throttle some more to get it in the sweet spot. Set your cg so that when you roll inverted the plane flys strait hands off. That will help. Spoilers or flaps will help a little too. All planes are diffrent and are set up diff too. You should be at 45deg in the harrier. Its hard to say though. My sig se will harrier at a low aoa and low throttle but when i try to get the nose up it rocks like crazy. My omp 540 profile will hover at 45deg all day. Still need to be on the sticks a little but not as bad as the se. My little bat is way too easy to harrier, and can do so at any angle.

You pretty much have to play with it and try diffrent things to see if it works. Good luck.

Hope this helps

I do not have any addons with G2. Also I cannot afford a Pizzaz at the moment since I am getting an Aeroworks edge.

As for the magic, IMO its a great plane to fly and learn 3d on. I think I do need to put the CG a little farther back tho, and couple in the lifted ailerons when trying to do such moves and the harrier. On the 1st day I tried hovering with it, I was going as low as 10-15 feet even in all that wind. I have seen people just park it in a hover. If I could just get my bearings, I think I could get it pretty good.

Thanks for all your help, once I fix the Magic I will try it at the field

Which edge are you getting?
I have their 33% 540T and it is very easy to do all of the 3D manuevers with. I also have an old .40 size sig fazer fun fly that will harrier but you do have to correct it more often with aileron input. The main thing the fazer won't do is a tight waterfall.

A sledge is a great .40 sized airplane that will do all of the 3D manuevers. After flying one of those I was hooked and got one to replace my fazer with.

Its a used Aeroworks 29% edge

ChixwithTrix

I just looked at your website and it looked like sparks.

I've only been their 2 times so I might be wrong.

Wow, I'm impressed that you could identify it fron those pictures! Yes it is SPARKS.

Just thought it looked familiar and I think the orange fences 15' in front of the covered area gave it away

I would just wait until you start flying the 29% edge to try your harriers since you must be pretty close to flying it. Once you get the feel for it and realize you really don't have to do much to make it harrier, then you might be able to do them with your smaller planes as well. You just have to stay on top of them more.

Hello,

I basically learned to do harriers and torque rolls with my Magic.
It has an OS 46 LA and an APC 12.25 X 3.75 prop.
I use ONLY 30% Heli Coolpower fuel.
Standard JR servos in the stock locations throughout the plane.

It will help if you take the time to adjust your thrust line by adding washers until the planes pulls perfectly straight on an upline.

Also, I balance mine so that it requires no down elevator when inverted. Just tape a little weight to the tail to you find the spot you like best. Because of the fuel tank not being able to put on the CG, the plane needs down elevator on landings. This took a while to get used to. Also, it doesn't do good inv. flat spins until you use some fuel out of the tank and the CG starts to move back.

I have not tried spoilerons recently. I tried them before I knew how to hover the Magic and it was of no use to me at the time.
Maybe I should try it again. I say this because I was also very fortunate to get a 40% FC Extra 330S and learned from Andy Kane that putting in the up spoilerons with up elevator makes the plane SINK faster in a elevator. I did not notice any more stability because of it.

I have found that the angle of attack is very critical in getting the Magic to hover/elevator. You also need to have the correct throttle setting. You will find when you get the perfect hover going the fuse will be setting at a consistent angle.

My friend has a Magic But with an OS .46 FX, same prop. It has a ton more power. At first I found it very difficult to get into a hover with his plane. Here, I found I was flying on low rates. Not enough elevator. Make sure you have LOTS of elevator throw with some expo mixed in to soften the center. Lots of elevator throw is the key to get it to sink into the hover.

As far as the throttle position goes. I think it depends on your style of flying. When my friend flies my Magic, he hovers at a pretty steady throttle setting. I personally think this is holding him back a little. I blip and adjust the throttle constantly depending on what the plane needs to do. I learned this from watching Yuri Higuchi. His plane can set in a PERFECT hover and the throttle we be going up and down all the time. It sounds SOOO COOOL!

Here is the key.

PRACTICE !

I would go out every day I could around dusk, because the winds are the lightest then. It took me about a month until I could hover right down in front of me comfortably. This was flying almost everyday.

Be sure to take the time to adjust the trimming of your plane and you WILL notice a difference. Do one thing at a time. Do not make multiple adjustments at one time. It just makes it harder to determine what is really working for you.


Start at about 30 feet of altitude. Fly it there until you feel extremeley comfortable and can recover from ANY position. Then 20 feet. Then 15 feet. I would say try not to let the plane get more than 50' out away from you. Just makes it harder to see.

You will find it is actually easier to hover the closer the plane is to you. But that takes time(practice).

I wrecked numerous times but I have found the Magic to be a pretty resilient plane. It seem to only crack the tail glue joints where it meets the fuse. The wingtips will break where they meet the aileron hinge line. If you hit the wing hard when the wing twists on the wing saddle the side of the aileron smacks into the fuse side and brakes the fuse right behind the wing. Just glue back together and recover! Oh, the landing gear get bent alot, buy two more sets.

I think it is a GREAT plane for learning to hover!

Barry Finck
Grantville, PA

If you havn't already done it, turn that stupid throttle ratchet over to eliminate the click. It should then have tension on it to help hold it, but you won't get the "too much or too little" when flying. Had to do this when I started with helis, now doing it to all my radios.

well,
I found a plane that would harrier on G2 pretty well. If harriers are anything like they are in the sim, at least how that plane acts, then there really doesnt seem to be much to it. Just practice
Thanks for all of your help.

Oh, yea I flipped that throttle ratchet over a while back.

My friend flys wih a Heli radio and that's why I did it.

Was a little afraid to take my 10X apart but I just decided to dive in and do it.

Super easy.

So glad I did it.
Perfect throttle all the time.

Barry Finck
Grantville, PA

I did away with my ratchet as well and will never go back