What will a 50 cc pull?
04-02-2008 | 08:23 PM
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What will a 50 cc pull?
Guys i am fixing to buy a 3D 50cc size plane and need a little more advice. I have a plane in mind (the aeroworks yak) i just want to know what pound plane will a good 50cc engine 3D? That means have GOOD pullout and great vertical. What is the limit to a 50cc engine. I have a 40 on the GP Super chipmunk that weights 14.3 and it is great 
put it is also not for 3D!
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04-02-2008 | 08:45 PM
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From: surrey,
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RE: What will a 50 cc pull?
A strong well broken in 50cc with a good prop can have 30+ pounds of thrust.I think most are trying to stay under 17 pounds,some even less than 16.
Some have 18+ pound planes and still have good results.Depends of how much pull out of a hover you really need.
Some have 18+ pound planes and still have good results.Depends of how much pull out of a hover you really need.
04-03-2008 | 08:27 AM
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RE: What will a 50 cc pull?
I have 18.5 lb Double Vision/DA50, hovers around 1/2 throttle as long as I want, pulls out with some accelleration. (this is still breaking in too). I think I'm at the upper limits of good performance /weight for a DA50, 17lbs & under would be just awesome assuming its built well.
04-03-2008 | 09:04 AM
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RE: What will a 50 cc pull?
There are a couple of good planes out there in this size range
Composite Arf has the Extra 300 2.12m plane
Extreme Flight has the Extra 300
And the DL-50 engine is dirt cheap, and is getting pretty good reviews
www.dlusa.net
Im planning on building a comp-arf extra with the DL later this year.
Composite Arf has the Extra 300 2.12m plane
Extreme Flight has the Extra 300
And the DL-50 engine is dirt cheap, and is getting pretty good reviews
www.dlusa.net
Im planning on building a comp-arf extra with the DL later this year.
04-03-2008 | 09:10 PM
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RE: What will a 50 cc pull?
One guy that flies at our field every now and again has one DA50 and like 3 or 4 DL50's. He swears by his DL's. It's been debated ALL throughout RCU which engine is worth the price...but it's really simple. They're both great engines. The DA will last longer, and is an American company (one of the few left), and is a true group of innovators. My money would go to DA, just because they're the originals...but that's besides the point.
Any 3D airframe advertised by any reputable company as a 50cc will 3D very well with a 50cc engine. The DA50 has better power-to-weight than many others, so it may do better than others. From what I've heard, Aeroworks planes are awesome with their respective DA engines...like they were built for them. Like nitrowing said, they pull in excess of 30lbs...also depending on the prop.
Any 3D airframe advertised by any reputable company as a 50cc will 3D very well with a 50cc engine. The DA50 has better power-to-weight than many others, so it may do better than others. From what I've heard, Aeroworks planes are awesome with their respective DA engines...like they were built for them. Like nitrowing said, they pull in excess of 30lbs...also depending on the prop.
04-04-2008 | 10:38 PM
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RE: What will a 50 cc pull?
There is little doubt that the DA will last longer.
Now that the DLs have been here for over a year, I am beginning to observe them come apart.
Three main issues -
bearings going bad, which is something you cannot do much about.
threads for the plug get jammed, which is something you should be careful with, but once messed up, requires a new head.
standoff supports breaking - if not mounted perfectly square, they can break over time - its cast, not machined.
I have seen 3 or 4 at our field developing issues and require a rebuild. Personally have not seen DAs developing the same issues and hope I don't get to see any of mine...
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One guy that flies at our field every now and again has one DA50 and like 3 or 4 DL50's. He swears by his DL's. It's been debated ALL throughout RCU which engine is worth the price...but it's really simple. They're both great engines. The DA will last longer, and is an American company (one of the few left), and is a true group of innovators. My money would go to DA, just because they're the originals...but that's besides the point.
Any 3D airframe advertised by any reputable company as a 50cc will 3D very well with a 50cc engine. The DA50 has better power-to-weight than many others, so it may do better than others. From what I've heard, Aeroworks planes are awesome with their respective DA engines...like they were built for them. Like nitrowing said, they pull in excess of 30lbs...also depending on the prop.
One guy that flies at our field every now and again has one DA50 and like 3 or 4 DL50's. He swears by his DL's. It's been debated ALL throughout RCU which engine is worth the price...but it's really simple. They're both great engines. The DA will last longer, and is an American company (one of the few left), and is a true group of innovators. My money would go to DA, just because they're the originals...but that's besides the point.
Any 3D airframe advertised by any reputable company as a 50cc will 3D very well with a 50cc engine. The DA50 has better power-to-weight than many others, so it may do better than others. From what I've heard, Aeroworks planes are awesome with their respective DA engines...like they were built for them. Like nitrowing said, they pull in excess of 30lbs...also depending on the prop.
04-04-2008 | 10:48 PM
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RE: What will a 50 cc pull?
This is exactly what I was thinking will be problematic over a couple of seasons..
Thats why I bought a Taurus 52,something that will run hard and strong 5+ years down the road,without falling apart.
Thats why I bought a Taurus 52,something that will run hard and strong 5+ years down the road,without falling apart.
04-05-2008 | 09:27 AM
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RE: What will a 50 cc pull?
The 3MM is heavier and not as powerful. It's upsides are that it is smoother because it has 3 bearings. Decent engine, but down on power.
All of these cheap engines have their issues.. the DL's issues just show up down the road. I know of a couple that blew up after 25 gallons. Most people don't fly that many gallons in a hurry so it takes awhile for problems to surface. Personally I have around 55 gallons on my Brillelli 60 without any play or issues... you pay more but its well worth it in the long run.
All of these cheap engines have their issues.. the DL's issues just show up down the road. I know of a couple that blew up after 25 gallons. Most people don't fly that many gallons in a hurry so it takes awhile for problems to surface. Personally I have around 55 gallons on my Brillelli 60 without any play or issues... you pay more but its well worth it in the long run.
04-09-2008 | 05:44 AM
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55 gallons?? some serious flying dude!
55 gallons?? some serious flying dude!
Haha people laughed when I brought down a 5gallon gas tank.. I am there to fly my planes and not my mouth
I fly my mouth a little but more flying haha. Now adays 5 gallons is just too much to carry around and takes up room so I am back to a Jersey Modler 2.5gallon.. I just fill it up more 
04-09-2008 | 07:32 AM
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RE: What will a 50 cc pull?
First of all, what is a "DL"?????? 2nd of all, none of you have ever tried the 3MM toc engine. Sure its a couple of oz heavier,but it is 3cc's bigger!!! Produces more rpms. So, I would like to hear from those who have or seen or flew a 3MM TOC engine and not those with so called theories. I have and flown a DA50 and I love that engine but I am open to NEW products that are cheaperin price that is produced in other places. The plane for the 50's are capable to fly with a few oz either in the + or - range. Power is what it is all about.
04-09-2008 | 09:01 AM
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RE: What will a 50 cc pull?
I went through the same "thought process" many years ago with glow engines & recently with gassers, save $$ or just buy the best. After saving $$ with some glow engines, I had many new problems with transition issues & reliability. I remembered that experience when looking for a good 50cc gasser, I went with DA. Figured I'd at least wait & see how long the DL's last, even if they run good now, will they hold up 1year,2 years or longer? To some extent, it depends on how you fly, if your going to huck it DOD, why risk it with an unknown?
04-09-2008 | 12:17 PM
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First of all, what is a "DL"?????? 2nd of all, none of you have ever tried the 3MM toc engine. Sure its a couple of oz heavier,but it is 3cc's bigger!!! Produces more rpms. So, I would like to hear from those who have or seen or flew a 3MM TOC engine and not those with so called theories. I have and flown a DA50 and I love that engine but I am open to NEW products that are cheaperin price that is produced in other places. The plane for the 50's are capable to fly with a few oz either in the + or - range. Power is what it is all about.
First of all, what is a "DL"?????? 2nd of all, none of you have ever tried the 3MM toc engine. Sure its a couple of oz heavier,but it is 3cc's bigger!!! Produces more rpms. So, I would like to hear from those who have or seen or flew a 3MM TOC engine and not those with so called theories. I have and flown a DA50 and I love that engine but I am open to NEW products that are cheaperin price that is produced in other places. The plane for the 50's are capable to fly with a few oz either in the + or - range. Power is what it is all about.
Uhh... size doesn't have much to do with it.. sorry. You haven't heard of a DL?? There has been more hype about that engine in the last year than any other overseas import.
I have spoken in detail with someone who did testing on this engine awhile back and have seen numbers posted on it. Its not even close to the most powerful 50 sized motor out there... in fact there are many that are more powerful.
This is common knowledge... as I stated earlier the 3MM has 3 bearings which makes it a nice smooth running engine... it has power but there are better out there. You have a DA? I know that DA is stronger and I am not even a DA supporter.. thats just a fact.
04-09-2008 | 12:58 PM
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RE: What will a 50 cc pull?
DL, has upgraded the mounting lugs...so they wont fracture anymore.
goto WWW.DLUSA.NET to learn more about them
Also, saying that the DL doesnt have the power isnt true. There are many reports from pilots with both that said that the DL is capable of putting out as much, and sometimes more than the other brands. There are even videos on youtube of the DL spinning props at 7g.
goto WWW.DLUSA.NET to learn more about them
Also, saying that the DL doesnt have the power isnt true. There are many reports from pilots with both that said that the DL is capable of putting out as much, and sometimes more than the other brands. There are even videos on youtube of the DL spinning props at 7g.
04-09-2008 | 01:45 PM
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RE: What will a 50 cc pull?
I think Jake was referring to the 3MM in the above post not the DL in power comparison.
Tom at Wildhare sells the 3MM 53,he himsels stated that it's not as powerful as some of the competition,but an engine worth considering.
Tom at Wildhare sells the 3MM 53,he himsels stated that it's not as powerful as some of the competition,but an engine worth considering.
04-09-2008 | 08:40 PM
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I was referring to the 3MM... I am not saying it doesnt have power.. just have stronger competition.
The DL has lots of power... the issue is longevity... for me that is important because I fly more times per visit to the field than the average I cant afford to buy an engine that will only last me a season.
The DL has lots of power... the issue is longevity... for me that is important because I fly more times per visit to the field than the average I cant afford to buy an engine that will only last me a season.
04-09-2008 | 09:11 PM
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RE: What will a 50 cc pull?
When it comes to engines -- it's all good (except the bad ones).
The DL50 is a bargain and even if it does chuck its guts after 55 gals, you've got enough money left (saved by not buying a DA) to buy a brand new one and get another 55 gals of enjoyment.
But even if the bearings go sour -- that's not a big spend to put right -- the parts for DLs are dirt-cheap.
And the newer versions have *very* beefy mounting tabs -- the only way you'll break those is in a crash -- in which case there's no engine at any price that's immune to crash-damage.
The DLs seem to consistently turn 22 and 23-inch props at about 200-300 RPMs more than a DA and the DL mid-range seems a lot smoother.
But DA/DL -- it's entirely a personal choice and either is better than no engine at all.
The DL50 is a bargain and even if it does chuck its guts after 55 gals, you've got enough money left (saved by not buying a DA) to buy a brand new one and get another 55 gals of enjoyment.
But even if the bearings go sour -- that's not a big spend to put right -- the parts for DLs are dirt-cheap.
And the newer versions have *very* beefy mounting tabs -- the only way you'll break those is in a crash -- in which case there's no engine at any price that's immune to crash-damage.
The DLs seem to consistently turn 22 and 23-inch props at about 200-300 RPMs more than a DA and the DL mid-range seems a lot smoother.
But DA/DL -- it's entirely a personal choice and either is better than no engine at all.
04-10-2008 | 12:58 AM
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RE: What will a 50 cc pull?
Mate, I cannot believe that not one person has not suggested a 3W 55, I have one in a SD models Extra 260 and this thing has awesome power. It would eat a DA/DL 50 any day of the week, plus it has dual bearing crank support unlike the others. No need to change bearing.
04-10-2008 | 08:00 AM
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When it comes to engines -- it's all good (except the bad ones).
The DL50 is a bargain and even if it does chuck its guts after 55 gals, you've got enough money left (saved by not buying a DA) to buy a brand new one and get another 55 gals of enjoyment.
But even if the bearings go sour -- that's not a big spend to put right -- the parts for DLs are dirt-cheap.
And the newer versions have *very* beefy mounting tabs -- the only way you'll break those is in a crash -- in which case there's no engine at any price that's immune to crash-damage.
The DLs seem to consistently turn 22 and 23-inch props at about 200-300 RPMs more than a DA and the DL mid-range seems a lot smoother.
But DA/DL -- it's entirely a personal choice and either is better than no engine at all.
When it comes to engines -- it's all good (except the bad ones).
The DL50 is a bargain and even if it does chuck its guts after 55 gals, you've got enough money left (saved by not buying a DA) to buy a brand new one and get another 55 gals of enjoyment.
But even if the bearings go sour -- that's not a big spend to put right -- the parts for DLs are dirt-cheap.
And the newer versions have *very* beefy mounting tabs -- the only way you'll break those is in a crash -- in which case there's no engine at any price that's immune to crash-damage.
The DLs seem to consistently turn 22 and 23-inch props at about 200-300 RPMs more than a DA and the DL mid-range seems a lot smoother.
But DA/DL -- it's entirely a personal choice and either is better than no engine at all.
Thats fine... but they aren't lasting that amount of time... closer to 25 gallons before problems. Sorry I will keep my Brillelli 60 with a better muffler for only $200 more and it will out last 3 or 4 DLs. If you want a 50 size then the Brillelli 50 is less than $100 more and will out last 3 or 4 DLs again. Both have similar or more power than the DL.
